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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 10:56AM
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Swamp Thing defends by creating massive amounts of party friendly difficult terrain and pulling his enemies into it. Enemies will be slowed or immobilized much of the time on top of that and he uses World Serpent's Grasp and several other powers that prone as well. He's a warden that takes several feats and powers to boost his toughness and defenses for once enemies are stuck next to him. swampthing
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I will put it through the CB later on, but it works fine as is.
Thri Kreen Earthforger Life Spirit (or wildblood) Warden (mc monk) Verdant Lord Reincarnate Champion
Starting stats 18 11 15 8 16 10 Final Stats 28 13 17 10 24 12 Level 21 Past Life: Dwarf Level 24 Past Life: Githzerai
Background: something with a nature or perception bonus.
Trained Skills: Athletics, Perception, Heal, Nature, Dungeouneering
Powers 1 Thorn Strike 1 Weight of the Earth 1 Hungry Earth 1 Form of Winters Herald 2 Erupting Font 3 Strongskin Clash 5 Rampant Forest 6 Soothing Wind (retrained at 21 for natural Terrain Understanding) 7 Sheltering Storm 9 Form of the Oak Sentinel 10 Tremor Step
13 Drown in Mud 15 Form Of the Avalanche Unleashed 16 Cleansing Earth 17 Warden's Lure 19 Form of the Rowan Sentinel
22 Renewal 23 Primal Rebuke 25 Form of the Entangling Spider 27 Screaming Wind Strike 29 Form of the Imperious Phoenix
Feats 1 Light Blade Expertise 2 Monastic Disciple (eternal tide) 4 Mark of Finding 6 Terrain Advantage 8 World Serpents Grasp 10 Nimble Blade
11 Improved Defenses 12 Sudden Roots 14 Eyes in the Back of Your Head 16 Opportunistic Withdrawal 18 LifeSpirit Healing (retrained to dwarven durability at 21) 20 Shield Specialization (retrained to defensive advantage at 22)
21 Primal Resurgence 22 Rapid Wild Defense 24 Zuoken’s Centering 26 Enduring Font 28 Strength Through Challenge 30 Superior Initative Items not done yet: Rapier, Heavy Shield, Hide Armor are the base equipment.
Ways it generates difficult terrain (almost of all of which is party friendly): Hungry Earth, Form of Winter’s Herald, Stone Panoply (from level 5 on), Rampant Forest, Tremor Step, Awaken the Forest (won’t see much use since its standard action), Drown In Mud (only non-party friendly one), and at 11 every square adjacent to Swamp Thing is difficult terrain for enemies while in guardian form. Ways Swamp Thing extends reach: action points extend reach for a round while in guardian form and several forms extend reach: Form of the Oak Sentinel, Form of the Rowan Sentinel, and Form of the Verdant lord. Both Thorn Strike and flurry of blows have reach 2 by default, but can get to 4 with action point while in certain guardian forms (on second reading, not sure those two powers get extended since they have specific reaches already). It has an at will that pulls and an encounter power in Eternal Tide Flurry of Blows that pulls and potentially slows multiple enemies 2 squares away from you (even farther depending on if you spent an action point in paragon and what guardian form you have going). Has Warden’s Lure as well at 17 for some more encounter pulling. Has CA much of the time in heroic with Terrain Advantage and practically constant CA against adjacent enemies in paragon and epic. Ways it takes advantage of this: Mark of finding lets you shift after anyone that tries to shift away while you have CA, Nimble blade is an extra +1 to hit, defensive advantage is a boost of 2 to ac in epic, and opportunistic withdrawl makes you not worry about OAs. Eyes in the back of his head means even though he will be surrounded most of the time, he won't be granting CA from it. Race is tough since for a couple of feats you need a starting 15 dex, but goliath, thrikreen, half orc, snefrneblin, or shifter would all work ok. Githzerai works too if you don’t mind a starting 18 10 15 8 15 10 stat spread and that lets you take Zuokens Centering in paragon instead of in epic, which is an additional 4-6 surges and hit points depending on your level.
You could switch out lifespirit with the equivalent wildblood and some wildblood powers, but the lifespirit works decently here since several of them help him handle the stickyness well and he won't be second winding much until epic. He doesn't have any Guardian Might specfic feats except for lifespirit healing which he retrains out of fairly quickly.
Theme is earthforger since it has an encounter power that grants DR and generates difficult terrain starting at level 5 and the level 10 utility Tremor Step generates difficult terrian in an aura 2 and generates temp hitpoints. Its other features makes second wind better and reduces forced movement.
Not much picked out for items so far, but looking for a few that let me avoid difficult terrain or give out things like forest walk since that fits the theme. Needs a rapier, preferably one like a scorpion tail blade, vitality drinking weapon, tresspasser’s bane, frost, or something similar. Battle standard of the tides would fit as well.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 10:56AM
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Reserved for later level by level breakdown. Here is a level 7 version I ran through a lair assault a few days ago. Didn't work out so well, but the build was fine. lairassault variant
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Cha tik tik, level 7 Thri-Kreen, Warden Build: Life Warden Guardian Might Option: Lifespirit Wild Hunter (+2 to Nature) Theme: Ironwrought FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 20, CON 10, DEX 16, INT 10, WIS 14, CHA 10 STARTING ABILITY SCORES STR 17, CON 10, DEX 14, INT 10, WIS 13, CHA 10 AC: 23 Fort: 21 Ref: 20 Will: 18 HP: 69 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 17 TRAINED SKILLS Athletics +13, Endurance +6, Nature +14, Perception +10 UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +4, Arcana +3, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +5, Heal +5, History +3, Insight +5, Intimidate +3, Religion +3, Stealth +3, Streetwise +3, Thievery +3 POWERS Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack Ironwrought Attack: Inevitable Strike Thri-Kreen Racial Power: Thri-kreen Claws Warden Feature: Warden's Fury Warden Feature: Warden's Grasp Warden Attack 1: Thorn Strike Warden Attack 1: Weight of Earth Warden Attack 1: Warden's Sacrifice Warden Attack 1: Form of Winter's Herald Endurance Utility 2: Inspiring Fortitude Warden Attack 3: Strongskin Clash Warden Attack 5: Wellspring Strike Warden Utility 6: Earthguard Warden Attack 7: Sheltering Storm FEATS Level 1: Light Blade Expertise Level 2: World Serpent's Grasp Level 4: Nimble Blade Level 6: Terrain Advantage ITEMS Frost Brand Rapier +2 x1 Amulet of Physical Resolve +2 x1 Magic Hide Armor +2 x1 Adventurer's Kit Gloves of Piercing x1 Acrobat Boots x1 Potion of Cure Light Wounds Potion of Clarity (level 5) Shield of Deflection Heavy Shield (heroic tier) x1 Dagger ====== End ======
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:17PM
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I just put 'Forest Walk' through the Compendium. There are three ways you can get it.
1. Forest Walk Feat. 11th level, trained in Nature. You ignore difficult terrain in encounter areas where the difficult terrain is the result of trees, underbrush, plants, or natural growth. Doesn't allow you to ignore difficult or challenging terrain. Considering you have your Feats all filled, I don't think this is the route you'll go, but I mention it because it is an option.
2. Boots of the Dryad. Level 5+ Uncommon Feet Slot item. Property gives Forest Walk, and has a daily that lets you teleport to a square adjacent to a tree, treant, or plant of your size or larger.
3. Silver Hart Clasp. Level 9+ Uncommon Neck Slot item. Properties give Forest Walk and a bonus to Stealth checks while in forests. Daily Utility Power allows you to spend a surge and end a poison effect currently affecting you (no save).
Personally, I think the Silver Hart clasp provides the best bang for your buck, but it's not available until mid-to-late Heroic.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:20PM
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Level 5 feature on the Outlaw theme lets you choose forests. Can't be tracked, ignore difficult terrain.
This is CharOp. We not only assume block-of-tofu monsters, but also block-of-tofu DMs.
One reach cheese'd threatening reach Spiked Chain shuts down any non-teleporting quarterback.
You're already refluffing, what not refluff to something that doesn't suck?
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:30PM
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Candle + shadow strider?
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:30PM
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I had the Silver hart clasp written down as my prefered neck slot item.
Outlaw theme isn't bad for this build, since it gives forest walk and has the nice dazing power for CA granting enemies. But Earthforged gives a lot: bonus to defenses after second winding, good close burst power that gives DR and creates difficult terrain, the negating forced movement at 10, and the level 10 utiltiy power. Plus the flavor is perfect making it an elemental and giving it primordial language.
I am going to run a heroic tier variant of this build through a lair assault tomorrow night. It will have Form of winters herald so I don't need all the other difficult terrain stuff for just one encounter. So it has wellspring strike at level 5 and ironwrought for the theme along with some other power tweaks which will make it tougher. It will have light blade expertise, nimble blade, terrain advantage and worldserpents grasp as the first 4 feets.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:46PM
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Just tried plugging everything into the builder for you, but ran into problems at Level 13+, as I don't know what you retrain out at each level. Also, you can't take Mythic Senses, as that feat is for Minotaurs, and you are Thri-Kreen/Dwarf/Githzerai. Unless, of course, there's something I'm missing, which is possible.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:54PM
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My bad. He gets every races powers at level 30, but won't count as a minotaur for feat prereqs. I can put in superior initiative or something else instead.
I am planning for now to retrain out powers each chance I get I think. I might retrain out rampant forest instead of form of winter's herald at 15, but that is the only one I wouldn't do in order probably. Hopefully I will get to put it through the builder later on this week.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:59PM
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Overall, I like the build. I just wish it wasn't so DEX-dependant, as I'd love to make use of some of the stuff on my Dwarf Warden.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 3:07PM
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A starting dex of 12 would get you monastic disciple at paragon. I really think that is a good multiclass for wardens with Eternal Tide, since its damaging, pulling and potentially slowing 1-3 enemies in melee 2 without having to actually hit the targets. If I wasn't doing monk multiclass I think I would have done spiked chain training and maybe resilience of life as the second at will.
Nimble blade takes a 15 dex and defensive advantage takes 17 dex and those are the tricky ones for most wardens. Those two are nice, but not essential.
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