If you think that in some way stops what I'm doing, I suggest you take the title's advice and read the explanation again.
The real fix is printing them multiattack powers. Right now, they have a total of two.
I really like what you've done with the guide so far and I'd like to point out that sarifal feywardens and elemental locks both bring a lot of damage with their vulnerabilities triggering on each seperate damage instance if you can match their types. I'm actually playing a character based around part of this and when I get done filling in the rest of him I think I might post the build
Also, I edited my above post to clarify that I wasn't speaking to you there.
Edited: It might be reasonable for more multiattacks if it's hard enough to stack together with vulnerability. Two exclusive mechanical flavors for individual flavor too
Is it because quarry says "deals extra damage" rather than "deals damage ... in addition"?
Pretty much. "Extra damage" is added to the original damage and doesn't get extra mods, whereas "damage" is a separate instance and gets all extra mods (except in this case, you don't get anything that is specifically called out as a "bonus to damage rolls").
: What I am replying to
"this damage never benefits from bonuses to damage rolls, and is in addition to the attack's damage if any" - 'sin's shroud, d379.
The real fix we could be houseruling is a feat that could get better the next tier to increase the shrouds you apply per use of the power. This makes multiclassing 'sin and their epic destiny relevant, and more fun when used together.
"Extra damage" is not a "bonus to damage rolls", they are explicitly separate methods of adding damage to things.
That you didn't know this is especially funny because you mention using vulnerabilities, which are defined as making you deal "extra damage".
The Assassin will never get "fixed", they have no interest in "fixing" a class that CharOp has defined as useless and CharDev has defined as fun, to them, that's a perfectly functioning class.
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating. Actually, devastating is too light a word. Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25 Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul; Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind; Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire; The MECH warrior reaches perfection.
Is it because quarry says "deals extra damage" rather than "deals damage ... in addition"?
Pretty much. "Extra damage" is added to the original damage and doesn't get extra mods, whereas "damage" is a separate instance and gets all extra mods (except in this case, you don't get anything that is specifically called out as a "bonus to damage rolls").
: What I am replying to
"this damage never benefits from bonuses to damage rolls, and is in addition to the attack's damage if any" - 'sin's shroud, d379.
The real fix we could be houseruling is a feat that could get better the next tier to increase the shrouds you apply per use of the power. This makes multiclassing 'sin and their epic destiny relevant, and more fun when used together.
"Extra damage" is not a "bonus to damage rolls", they are explicitly separate methods of adding damage to things.
That you didn't know this is especially funny because you mention using vulnerabilities, which are defined as making you deal "extra damage".
The Assassin will never get "fixed", they have no interest in "fixing" a class that CharOp has defined as useless and CharDev has defined as fun, to them, that's a perfectly functioning class.
Point.Rude way of making it though, but nice enough to qualify mine. I have edited that part of my opinion out.
Yeah, I'm rude, because I'm the one telling people that they're wrong without actually reading the rulebook.
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating. Actually, devastating is too light a word. Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25 Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul; Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind; Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire; The MECH warrior reaches perfection.
Yeah, I'm rude, because I'm the one telling people that they're wrong without actually reading the rulebook.
Actually I had read the handbook, that's where I got the idea of combining assassin and feywarden/elemental locks+demonskin. Thanks for confirming that though
He meant reading the actual rulebooks for 4e. The ones where things like "Extra Damage" is a game term that is specifically defined for you.
Is it because quarry says "deals extra damage" rather than "deals damage ... in addition"?
Pretty much. "Extra damage" is added to the original damage and doesn't get extra mods, whereas "damage" is a separate instance and gets all extra mods (except in this case, you don't get anything that is specifically called out as a "bonus to damage rolls").
: What I am replying to
"this damage never benefits from bonuses to damage rolls, and is in addition to the attack's damage if any" - 'sin's shroud, d379.
The real fix we could be houseruling is a feat that could get better the next tier to increase the shrouds you apply per use of the power. This makes multiclassing 'sin and their epic destiny relevant, and more fun when used together.
"Extra damage" is not a "bonus to damage rolls", they are explicitly separate methods of adding damage to things.
That you didn't know this is especially funny because you mention using vulnerabilities, which are defined as making you deal "extra damage".
The Assassin will never get "fixed", they have no interest in "fixing" a class that CharOp has defined as useless and CharDev has defined as fun, to them, that's a perfectly functioning class.
Point.Rude way of making it though, but nice enough to qualify mine. I have edited that part of my opinion out.
There was nothing rude in that post. How thin-skinned are you?
The sad thing is, it's not even like the O-ssassin needs a lot of changes to become a proper striker. It just needs to:
- Make Shrouds more efficient (Halve the max shrouds, double the damage?) - Have better implement powers (Executioner's Noose as a d6 is just shameful) - Get more Minor Action and/or multi-attack powers (They ARE supposed to be very quick attackers, right?) - Have their powers scale better than they currently do (Shadow Storm deals +1 damage for each adjacent creature plus Cha mod?) - Do more with poison damage and make it worth investing into (One-turn vuln 5 poison at-will? Weakened effect tacked onto save ends effects?)
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