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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:41AM
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I have a question RE insubstantial and grab. Last night in our main campaign, some tentacle monster creature grabbed my sorc. I immediate inturrupt'd -> fog form to gain the insubstantial property. Am I still grabbed?
We looked up the rule and didn't see anything to indicate I would /not/ be still grabbed, so the assumption is that yes, I /would/ still be grabbed but the DM ruled in the favor of common sense, pulled me one square and let me go about my business.
What's the actual rule on that? Would I or would I not be grabbed? I just want to check so the next time it happens we know the correct ruling (even though I am pretty sure I will not be happy with the answer)
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:44AM
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You are still grabbed.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:45AM
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If you'd gained Phasing, I think that would have an effect (Phasing breaks grabs IIRC?), but Insubstantial just makes you a bit wispier, it doesn't let you pass through things any more than you could before.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:47AM
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ok thanks, I appreciate the response 
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 8:34AM
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P.S. Nothing in the Phasing keyword says you're immune to grabs.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 9:14AM
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P.S. Nothing in the Phasing keyword says you're immune to grabs.
Except for that whole "You can move through obstacles and creatures" thing....
Granted, that's not true immunity. It just means that you can escape grabs without making an escape check (just shift away.)
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 9:37AM
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P.S. Nothing in the Phasing keyword says you're immune to grabs.
Except for that whole "You can move through obstacles and creatures" thing....
Granted, that's not true immunity. It just means that you can escape grabs without making an escape check (just shift away.)
Incorrect. Because you're grabbed, you're immobilized, so you can't just move away without first escaping.
Also, nothing prevents any creature from grabbing a phasing creature.
At first I was thinking this was an oversight in the phasing rules, but I think its intentional, otherwise phasing creatures couldn't grab non-phasing creatures; and if the rule were instead changed to say that phasing and non-phasing creatures can't grab each, that by extension would lead to rules debates about how can a phasing creature use any sort of physical attack on a non-phasing creature and vice versa.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 9:45AM
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P.S. Nothing in the Phasing keyword says you're immune to grabs.
Except for that whole "You can move through obstacles and creatures" thing....
Granted, that's not true immunity. It just means that you can escape grabs without making an escape check (just shift away.)
Incorrect. Because you're grabbed, you're immobilized, so you can't just move away without first escaping.
Also, nothing prevents any creature from grabbing a phasing creature.
At first I was thinking this was an oversight in the phasing rules, but I think its intentional, otherwise phasing creatures couldn't grab non-phasing creatures; and if the rule were instead changed to say that phasing and non-phasing creatures can't grab each, that by extension would lead to rules debates about how can a phasing creature use any sort of physical attack on a non-phasing creature and vice versa.
Yeah, I didn't think about Immobilized. So, you would need a way to ignore immobilized and be phasing. Hmm...
As for the other part, phasing has that covered. It says *you* can move through obstacles and other creatures. It does *not* say that obstacles and other creatures can move through you.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 10:00AM
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Date Joined:
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Even if you have a way to ignore Immobilize, you will still be Grabbed, because Immobilized is a subcondition of being Grabbed, this Phasing or not. Really Phasing does nothing concerning grabs
What break grabs is rather clear; Forced Movement, Teleportation, Remove from Play, the Escape action or prevent the grabber from taking actions or having other means of removing a Condition on yourself. Am i missing any other means ?
Yan
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 10:37AM
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Even if you have a way to ignore Immobilize, you will still be Grabbed, because Immobilized is a subcondition of being Grabbed, this Phasing or not. Really Phasing does nothing concerning grabs
What break grabs is rather clear; Forced Movement, Teleportation, Remove from Play, the Escape action or prevent the grabber from taking actions or having other means of removing a Condition on yourself. Am i missing any other means ?
Aside from the fact that being Grabbed makes you Immobilized, does it do anything else to prevent you from moving?
So, if you have a way to ignore Immobilize and you have phasing, you should be able to just shift one square (leaving the square of the effect that grabbed you) and end the grab that way. Correct?
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