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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 12:54AM #1
BigBen
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2009
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Will the online tools, especially the character builder, continue to support pure 4.0 character creation? I also wonder about the monster creation tool ... Or will the tools strictly support the newer version?


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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 1:08AM #2
lokiare
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2008
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There's a thread on this in the DDi general section, but the official answer is they don't really know yet...
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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 6:29AM #3
Phried
Date Joined: Jun 4, 2008
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If they don't know yet then the answer is no. Continuing to support it would been seen as actively supporting competition to Next sales. Look at Sony as a case study. Their Vita sales in Japan have been low and eventually they figured out why: They were continuing to support PSP and it was cheaper with a larger back catalog of material. They eventually decided to keep supporting it anyway because it was making more money than Vita and are willing to wait for the cost of production for Vitas to go down and number of games to increase and it will eventually over take the PSP in current earnings. However WotC doesn't have that option.
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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 6:32AM #4
lokiare
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May 2, 2012 -- 6:29AM, Phried wrote:

If they don't know yet then the answer is no. Continuing to support it would been seen as actively supporting competition to Next sales. Look at Sony as a case study. Their Vita sales in Japan have been low and eventually they figured out why: They were continuing to support PSP and it was cheaper with a larger back catalog of material. They eventually decided to keep supporting it anyway because it was making more money than Vita and are willing to wait for the cost of production for Vitas to go down and number of games to increase and it will eventually over take the PSP in current earnings. However WotC doesn't have that option.




Really, why not?

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 6:59AM #5
Phried
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May 2, 2012 -- 6:32AM, lokiare wrote:

May 2, 2012 -- 6:29AM, Phried wrote:

If they don't know yet then the answer is no. Continuing to support it would been seen as actively supporting competition to Next sales. Look at Sony as a case study. Their Vita sales in Japan have been low and eventually they figured out why: They were continuing to support PSP and it was cheaper with a larger back catalog of material. They eventually decided to keep supporting it anyway because it was making more money than Vita and are willing to wait for the cost of production for Vitas to go down and number of games to increase and it will eventually over take the PSP in current earnings. However WotC doesn't have that option.




Really, why not?




Next is going to make or break D&D so it has to be as profitable as possible. The fan base and RPG community is so divided over D&D right now there is a real chance it won't be able to earn enough of a profit fast enough. D&D needs to hold its own as a product line or it will be dropped, WotC can't just say "Well Magic the Gathering is a license to print money, we can let Next hemorrhage money for a few years while we spend even more money expanding its library with no serious proof it will turn things around".

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 7:12AM #6
Jubba
Date Joined: May 27, 2011
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I would buy a copy of the tools. Perhaps they could sell them as the last 4th ed. product, before releasing Next.
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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 1:31PM #7
Mablok
Date Joined: Apr 27, 2012
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What's wrong with this equation  4e+5e > 5e alone.

DDi is a subscription service.  If you subscribe for any reason then you are paying. 
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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 1:35PM #8
Jharii
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May 2, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Mablok wrote:

What's wrong with this equation  4e+5e > 5e alone.

DDi is a subscription service.  If you subscribe for any reason then you are paying. 


 (if you are responding to Jubba)  I am fairly sure that he's referring to if (and when) they shut down 4E support in DDI that he wants the option to buy the tools for 4E to use locally.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 1:45PM #9
Asperdn
Date Joined: Jan 13, 2012
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I have been using the hero lab softwear for some time I would love to see this be the main soft wear tool set for D&D next provided it could be updated in a timely manner as new books came out with full data sets for 5e.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 6:38PM #10
Mablok
Date Joined: Apr 27, 2012
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May 2, 2012 -- 1:35PM, Jharii wrote:

May 2, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Mablok wrote:

What's wrong with this equation  4e+5e > 5e alone.

DDi is a subscription service.  If you subscribe for any reason then you are paying. 


 (if you are responding to Jubba)  I am fairly sure that he's referring to if (and when) they shut down 4E support in DDI that he wants the option to buy the tools for 4E to use locally.




I was making a general comment.  If they were selling hard back books they'd have to print 4e and 5e which wouldn't make sense economically.  (At least maybe not).   But we are talking digital data here.  Data that has already been compiled.  The point of a subscription service is to sell subscriptions.  If it would increase subscriptions enough they could offer a free D&D novel every month.  It is all about increasing people paying the DDI monthly fee.  So to me it makes sense for them to leave anything that will draw subscribers.  Since this digital data is already compiled it makes total sense.

 

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