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1 year ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 3:54AM #1
Midget616
Date Joined: Apr 9, 2012
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So I have a mental exercise I have been working on for a while now. I currently am running a Revenant Warforged Vampire thinking it would be fun(ny), however as I have come to realize the complete lack of interesting things to do with a Zombie Robot Vampire besides slamming bad guys and being a bat I am working on this:

A hybrid Bard(Skald)/Assassin (Executioner)

My Thought is that this does some "decent" damage and still buffs the party. The character is fairly Mobile

We are at level 6. Standard point buy, item purchasing, ETC. We can do whatever we want BUT my DM wont let us use ANYTHING that is solely in a Dragon Magazine. (If it is a dragon mag and in a printed book it is cool.) Since I own Heroes of Shadow he is letting me hybrid executioner even though it says its from a dragon magazine on the character builder. (the swap daily for poison recipe is the one exception. Since its from the same magazine as hybrid executioner he let it slide but only that.)

My Basic Plan is to Go hit things with my weapon and grant bonuses to my party via song of savagery and have as many off turn actions to help with healing, and buffing/debuffing

My party Consists Of:
Paladin
Chaos Sorc
normal Sorc (leaving June 1st)
Shaman
Wizard|Swordmage
Battlemind (getting married next month and wont be around when we play very often)

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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Yasesril, level 6
Drow, Assassin (Executioner)/Bard
Guild Attacks (Hybrid) Option: Red Scales (Hybrid)
Hybrid Assassin (Executioner) Option: Hybrid Executioner Fortitude
Hybrid Bard Option: Hybrid Bard Will
Luskan (Luskan Benefit)
Theme: Reaver
 
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 12, DEX 19, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 19
 
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 12, DEX 16, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 16
 
 
AC: 20 Fort: 15 Ref: 17 Will: 18
HP: 49 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 12
 
TRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +8, Perception +8, Stealth +16, Thievery +13
 
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +8, Athletics +4, Bluff +8, Diplomacy +8, Dungeoneering +4, Endurance +5, Heal +4, History +4, Insight +4, Intimidate +10, Nature +4, Religion +4, Streetwise +8
 
POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Reaver Attack: Vicious Assault
Drow Racial Power: Cloud of Darkness
Assassin Attack: Poisoned Dagger
Assassin Attack: Garrote Strangle
Bard Utility: Skald's Aura
: Swap Daily For Poison Recipe
Assassin Attack: Assassin's Strike
Bard Attack 1: Song of Savagery
Bard Attack 1: Lesser Dimensional Step
Bard Utility 2: Moment of Escape
Bard Attack 5: Haunting Tune
Assassin Utility 6: Vanish
 
FEATS
Level 1: Skald Training
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate ki focus)
Level 4: Light Blade Expertise
Level 6: Nimble Blade
 
ITEMS
Bloodroot Poison
Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier) x1
Adventurer's Kit
Dagger
Garrote
Harmonic Songblade Rapier +2 x1
Gloaming Leather Armor +1 x1
Devastating Accurate ki focus +1 x1
====== End ======


so I have a +13 vs AC d8+8 MBA with +d8 1/turn +1 to hit and damage when CA with my Harmonic Songblade Raiper
Or +12 vs ac d8+7 with +d8 1/turn and +1 to hit and damage when CA AND the devistating KI focus property of any 1's or 2's are considered 3's.

And now to where you all come in.
1. I was wondering if you had any tweaks or tips for me that you might recommend. Keep in mind No Dragon stuff.
2. Could I be doing my job more effectively by going solely Skald and MC into something else? Or using a different second class for my hybrid.
3. Should I be focusing on daggers (for poison) instead of the rapier?
4. Should I rely more on my Ki Focus instead of my sword for my MBA? and use the level 7 item pick for something else?

Thanks
(I have tried to figure this all out on my own reading all the wonderful guides here, I just want to run this past you guys and see what you think. I personally think it is a very interesting concept.)

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 12:40PM #2
kilpatds
Date Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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I'm missing something.  Where's the Cha-based MBA coming from?  (Skalds get one, but I didn't think that came with Skald Training)
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 12:50PM #3
Askray
Date Joined: Apr 22, 2012
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I think he's using Dexterity for his MBA, not Charisma.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 8:02PM #4
Jugulator007
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 12:50PM, Askray wrote:

I think he's using Dexterity for his MBA, not Charisma.




Yep, hybrid executioner.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 9:57PM #5
kilpatds
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Thanks.  I forgot hybrid exe gave an MBA too...
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 3:35AM #6
crayne
Date Joined: Dec 18, 2009
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You could also play a half-elf ranger hybrid seeker MC skald. Take Rapid Shot via archery master feat and any of the skald at will aura powers. The skald at-will powers last until the end of the encounter, if you don't use another one.

This turns your seeker ranged basic powers into area burst 1 and you get to buff your whole party with it. You can even use seeker ranged basic encounter powers in between. You don't even need high DEX for this build, because your ranged basic attack is WIS based. Ranger has enough powers, like "Fox's cunning", with a cool effect that don't require DEX to attack.

For example, if your at-will power is Biting Swarm and you take Words of Gravity from skald, your enemy has effectively -4 to hit. Or use Grappling Spirits as your at-will and the feat World Serpent's Grasp, to prone on every second hit.

Seeker and a "rebounding weapon" both have encounter powers like "miss: make a ranged basic attack", to add even more fun to the mix. These are both very good options to lose your seeker ranged basic encounter powers (like Winter Spirit on LV 3), because they don't take the -2 hit penalty from rapid shot.

You should use a superior crossbow instead of bows as your weapon, to make up for the accuracy loss of rapid shot. "Crossbow expertise" also lets you ignore any form of cover. Only concealment is a problem, because there's no way you can completely ignore it. A "homing weapon" lets you ignore normal concealment, at least if you prefer accuracy over a rebounding weapon.

For constant CA, take the fey beast tamer theme.

A note about rapid shot. It targets creatures, you must attack allies, too. But each attack from rapid shot is an independant attack, so you can use a normal ranged basic attack instead of your seeker at-will power with a different weapon against your allies. So your best bet against allies are improvised ranged basic attacks with low DEX or heavy thrown weapons, if you have like STR 8. You could even close your eyes, so your allies have total concealment. You DM may find this to cheesy, so i would rather not use this tactic.

If you don't care much for "control", subsitute hybrid seeker for executioner. You'll lose the cool ranged basic powers, but you can add 1D8 extra damage to one of your attacks each turn and do more damage with assassin's strike. I never tried this build, so i can't give you many tips on it, but it should also work.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 7:25AM #7
ohgoditburns
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Your DM sounds kind of cheesephobic, so it might be best to stick with your original plan.

Otherwise, Half-elf MC skald does all that and more. The above ranger|seeker build is good, and you can also do a melee version with warlock|executioner to doublestack your striker features *and* get your Skald aura benefits. 
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 3:02PM #8
da_duke
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I love it!
I would name your character after The Darkness because their music is deadly.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 10:59PM #9
Midget616
Date Joined: Apr 9, 2012
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crayne-
I like the Idea. However, is archery master published in any rule book? I can only find it listed in dragon 402 and it is a no go otherwise.


ohgoditburns-
Yeah I was looking at the warlock|executioner combo. It seems seems rediculously good. Do you know if the executioner striker feature only works on things that counts as a basic attack or with a power that can be used instead of a basic attack?The wording on the attack finesse power for executioners is not clear.  Eldritch strike works but the paladins Virtuous Strike does not according to the character builder.

The MC Skald with half elf for the at will seems like a great idea. if only i could get over the fact that i lose out on free rides and groupies...
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 8:39AM #10
mellored
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2008
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Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:59PM, Midget616 wrote:

Do you know if the executioner striker feature only works on things that counts as a basic attack or with a power that can be used instead of a basic attack?


Counts as.

"in place of" is not a MBA.  It can just be used on MBA triggers.

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