I think you misunderstood my point. There is no "representative of the standard" D&D player. It's not as simple as it's portrayed in popular culture. For example, just looking at OTT regulars, you got people that like D&D then you got the ones that like 4E. You might also want to consider age. We have members here who are quite young. Then you have ancient dinosaurs. The are people that play D&D that are in middle school while others are in graduate school. You should also consider that just because some people like a particular piece of art work, doesn't actually mean they are likely to buy it in tshirt form and wear it.
I didn't misunderstand it, I just don't agree with it. You can't like a game based on and built around fantasy aesthetics without enjoying those aesthetics. Fantasy aesthetics are more often lavish and melodramatic in presentation, not subtle, reserved or patternesque.
I might have miscommunicate something when I said that one can find something aesthetically pleasing without necessarilly wanting to purchase it. I basically meant what you said in your second paragraph, if that's clearer.
Critique... criticism... it all depends on how you take it. RH isn't one to go on a wildly detailed explanation. I think his critique was rather to the point. Why expand on it? It would just be a repetition of what he eloquently posted. Also, you forgot Mad_Jack's post (#14).
Semantics aren't really an issue. The words have different meaning within the art world (and, I'd argue, in the world world). A criticism is, more often, based soley on gut-reaction subjectivity. A critique is a well-formed, intellectual process built around objective information from the fields dealing in aesthetics. They both require saying things about other things, and in that way they are related, but they are quite different concepts. The purpose of a critique is to guide someone through the creative experience where they themselves might have gotten lost in their own head. The purpose of a criticism is to express an emotion -- you expand on a criticism to accomplish the goal of a critique. That is to say, criticism is nonhelpful, whereas critique is quite helpful -- you expound upon a criticism, making it a critique, to be helpful.
My understanding was that he did not want to be helpful, and I can appreciate that.
The "one" critique I refered to was Mad_Jack's.
Seeing data and understanding it are two different things.
The same can be said for perceived, personal experience. We just disagree.
I didn't misunderstand it, I just don't agree with it. You can't like a game based on and built around fantasy aesthetics without enjoying those aesthetics. Fantasy aesthetics are more often lavish and melodramatic in presentation, not subtle, reserved or patternesque.
I get the feeling that you are using the word aesthetics to include things that are not normally thought of as part of aesthetics. Would you mind explaining what you see as included in the aesthetics of D&D?
Semantics aren't really an issue. The words have different meaning within the art world (and, I'd argue, in the world world). A criticism is, more often, based soley on gut-reaction subjectivity. A critique is a well-formed, intellectual process built around objective information from the fields dealing in aesthetics. They both require saying things about other things, and in that way they are related, but they are quite different concepts. The purpose of a critique is to guide someone through the creative experience where they themselves might have gotten lost in their own head. The purpose of a criticism is to express an emotion -- you expand on a criticism to accomplish the goal of a critique. That is to say, criticism is nonhelpful, whereas critique is quite helpful -- you expound upon a criticism, making it a critique, to be helpful.
Why would you need to "expound" for it to be a critique? I think RH got his point across quite well.Best of all, he didn't take up a wall of text to get his point across. You should be thankful to RH.
Seeing data and understanding it are two different things.
The same can be said for perceived, personal experience. We just disagree.
No it can't. Two different things.
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I get the feeling that you are using the word aesthetics to include things that are not normally thought of as part of aesthetics. Would you mind explaining what you see as included in the aesthetics of D&D?
Now, come on. I am lazy because I didn't now how to quote, but you're not lazy for not picking up a dictionary/encyclopedia? Wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of the concept, field and nature of aesthetics as a study.
I just use it in the way it is meant to be used. I thik it is the way people use it in general.
Why would you need to "expound" for it to be a critique?
I explained that. If you're asking "how," he could explain to me what he means by "simple." "Not clever," is not critique, nor is it something that enters into critique -- it's an opinion. Opions are ok, too, but I was looking for critique.
Well, that's generally how people feel when they don't appreciate the critique. It's not RH's fault.
He didn't give a critique.
You still seemed to get a bit defensive about it. I don't think you actually appreciated it.
By explaining why the condition existed, that others had his same experiences, and that I was thinking of changing the design to suit that experience? I see.
Your avy... Is that a girl or a guy? How can you tell?
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I have to remind myself that not everyone excercizes as religiously as I do, thus have reason to be humiliated when wearing nothing.
I don't see the relationship between the two. Being naked is awesome. Though I suppose I may be a bit biased since my build is Swagger-based, and wearing pants inhibits that (Though I do begrudgingly acknowledge the hefty resistances they provide to the Arrested and Frostbitten statuses among other things).
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Funny story: InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?" Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb." Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
My DM on Battleminds:
no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.
Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol.
I have the same problem with women.
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And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
Seriously, that was amazing. I laughed my *ss off. Made my day, and I just woke up.
ArtVenn You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.
You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster...
Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil.
And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.
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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right?
Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players.
And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it.
He/It got me with Light of Sanction , which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).
Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS. I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about: creatures.
Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad , things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed .
You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.
Before C is jumped on, understand that I am not saying that everyone who share interests are the same person. Not at all. However, people who share interests share them for a reason. When that interest is a mode of entertainment, you're talking about aesthetics. The unified enjoyment of a particular, understood aesthetic is what makes the mode of entertainment successful. In that arena, all of the people who share the interest become an aesthetically like-minded group. There can be groups within groups, as I've said, but the central concept of the shared, not divergent, interest is uniform and stable.
I dunno... I think the Otters fashion range is pretty wide.
Hell we all even for the most part travel in different circles. Some of us are nearing rest home age (resurection man, robin hoodlum, zombie babies), some of us are in the prime of our life (20s) some of us aren't even out of high school and ones even in juniour high.
I'm a gearhead, most of the other Otters are not. One of us to contrast, is a artsy hipster, and another is not only a murderous rodent, but very much into running and athletic shoes.
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I get the feeling that you are using the word aesthetics to include things that are not normally thought of as part of aesthetics. Would you mind explaining what you see as included in the aesthetics of D&D?
Now, come on. I am lazy because I didn't now how to quote, but you're not lazy for not picking up a dictionary/encyclopedia? Wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of the concept, field and nature of aesthetics as a study.
Why would you need to "expound" for it to be a critique?
I explained that. If you're asking "how," he could explain to me what he means by "simple." "Not clever," is not critique, nor is it something that enters into critique -- it's an opinion. Opions are ok, too, but I was looking for critique.
Well, that's generally how people feel when they don't appreciate the critique. It's not RH's fault.
He didn't give a critique.
Yes, that is a critique. It's not a detailed critique, but a critique it is. That you don't likie it or appreciate it doesn't make it any less of a critique.
You still seemed to get a bit defensive about it. I don't think you actually appreciated it.
By explaining why the condition existed, that others had his same experiences, and that I was thinking of changing the design to suit that experience? I see.
All I see is you being defensive about what people say. I mean, look at you now. I mentioned that it would be better for you to make something that would appeal to a greater audience, and all you've done is tried to argue with me about it. Here, let's try this: The die faces aren't very clear, as MJ pointed out. The ten actually reminds me or a Mr. Potato Head nose. You also don't have all the dice represented, and ulness I'm wrong, you have the D4 repeated three times. What was your train of thought when you were deciding to limit the dice and repeat the D4? Another problem I see is the phrase "How I roll." It's overused. There are better designs that get their points across with that phrase. Example 1 and Exmple 2. Sure, you have a shortened version of the phrase used in those two examples, but it's not significantly different. Furthermore, if you google "How I roll" tshirt, you'll get a lot of non-D&D tshirts that are actually funnier and more engaging than the D&D related ones. I think you would achieve more if you presented the phrase and the dice with less petetition (too many D4s) and clearer. Just using the phase instead of a 3D illustration doesn't look minimalist. It looks sloppy. You may also want to look at your color choice. The colors don't add anything to the dice. It almost seems as if you just randomly chose the colors.
Have I given you any reason to believe that I'm not being serious?
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