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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:05AM #21
Mand12
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Apr 27, 2012 -- 1:27PM, Jharii wrote:

Everyone already knows that DDI is playing catch-up on the digital table.

This particular one looks average to average plus at best and I see nothing that references D&D in any way, shape, or form.  Mentioning a generic term "bloodied" in one of a few videos does not really mean anything.

Fantasy Grounds II still handles D&D (multiple editions, amongst other games) quite well with its own native rulesets, and while I wish Roll20 the best of luck (and I will keep an eye on it), I'll stick with FG.



Bolded for reason why I interjected.  You were talking about the VT, so your claim that no one was talking about it is pretty much completely wrong.

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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:15AM #22
Jharii
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May 1, 2012 -- 11:05AM, Mand12 wrote:

Apr 27, 2012 -- 1:27PM, Jharii wrote:

Everyone already knows that DDI is playing catch-up on the digital table.

This particular one looks average to average plus at best and I see nothing that references D&D in any way, shape, or form.  Mentioning a generic term "bloodied" in one of a few videos does not really mean anything.

Fantasy Grounds II still handles D&D (multiple editions, amongst other games) quite well with its own native rulesets, and while I wish Roll20 the best of luck (and I will keep an eye on it), I'll stick with FG.



Bolded for reason why I interjected.  You were talking about the VT, so your claim that no one was talking about it is pretty much completely wrong.


As a general observation on DDI, not on the VT specifically.  If I was talking about the VT, I would have specified the VT.  Officially and technically, they don't even have a VT released.  It's still in beta.

So no, I was no talking about the VT, just DDI in general.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:24AM #23
Mand12
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I'm sorry, I thought by "DDI is playing catch-up on the digital table" in a thread about digital tables you mean the DDI digital table, not a metaphorical table.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 1:39PM #24
Jharii
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May 1, 2012 -- 11:24AM, Mand12 wrote:

I'm sorry, I thought by "DDI is playing catch-up on the digital table" in a thread about digital tables you mean the DDI digital table, not a metaphorical table.


It doesn't matter what digital table I was talking about (Wizards has had more than one digital table planned for DDI, if you recall).  The only point that mattered was that DDI is playing catch up.  You chimed in with a statement that was intriguing to me because I have been out of the VT loop for a while.  So I inquired about your statement, but later you, yourself, proved it to be inaccurate (alas, to my disappointment).

Enough of the derailment.  The link provided in the OP points to a potentially average digital tabletop that appears to be rules-neutral.  I don't see it ever surpassing the 4E VT in 4E game play unless they directly incorporate the 4E rules.  It may never surpass the 4E VT if it never offers integration into the compendium via an API.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 1:53PM #25
lokiare
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2008
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May 1, 2012 -- 1:39PM, Jharii wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 11:24AM, Mand12 wrote:

I'm sorry, I thought by "DDI is playing catch-up on the digital table" in a thread about digital tables you mean the DDI digital table, not a metaphorical table.


It doesn't matter what digital table I was talking about (Wizards has had more than one digital table planned for DDI, if you recall).  The only point that mattered was that DDI is playing catch up.  You chimed in with a statement that was intriguing to me because I have been out of the VT loop for a while.  So I inquired about your statement, but later you, yourself, proved it to be inaccurate (alas, to my disappointment).




What they had planned for their original table was completely awesome and way ahead of the curve...

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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 1:58PM #26
Jharii
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May 1, 2012 -- 1:53PM, lokiare wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 1:39PM, Jharii wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 11:24AM, Mand12 wrote:

I'm sorry, I thought by "DDI is playing catch-up on the digital table" in a thread about digital tables you mean the DDI digital table, not a metaphorical table.


It doesn't matter what digital table I was talking about (Wizards has had more than one digital table planned for DDI, if you recall).  The only point that mattered was that DDI is playing catch up.  You chimed in with a statement that was intriguing to me because I have been out of the VT loop for a while.  So I inquired about your statement, but later you, yourself, proved it to be inaccurate (alas, to my disappointment).




What they had planned for their original table was completely awesome and way ahead of the curve...


No doubt.  And now they are way behind the curve because of that event (which I in no way blame WotC for, btw).  To make amends, I just wish that they would have made an offer to Fantasy Grounds rather than the current developer.

I hope for much better than the current VT for 5E, but I doubt we'll get it.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 5:31PM #27
Style75
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Why WotC hasn't bought out MapTools is an absolute mystery to me. Rather than trying to do everything in house, just buy the company that's already done the hard work and give them access to the WotC data cloud so they can focus on integration with DDI. Hasbro has deep pockets, this is a no brainer. Watching WotC develop the VT has been a long, slow, and often painful experience.

Hopefully they've learned a lot and whatever they're planning for 5e will be something special. 5e had better release with rock solid digital tools or they will once again fall behind the curve of everyone else.
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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 10:08AM #28
KM.549
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I just read over on the M:tG forums that WOTC has pulled there magic app for iPhone, iPad, off the app store because the last update they did to it really messed it up. 

No word from WOTC about the app either.

At least WOTC is being consistent in that respect. Not telling the customer what's going on. 
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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 12:26PM #29
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I’ve removed content from this thread because trolling/baiting is a violation of the Code of Conduct.


You can review the Code here: www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_...


Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively.

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1 year ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:40PM #30
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May 4, 2012 -- 10:08AM, KM.549 wrote:

I just read over on the M:tG forums that WOTC has pulled there magic app for iPhone, iPad, off the app store because the last update they did to it really messed it up. 

No word from WOTC about the app either.

At least WOTC is being consistent in that respect. Not telling the customer what's going on. 




in addition to the thread which is totally out of place... how is this even relivent to the discussion?

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