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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 6:27PM
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I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I'm pretty sure that teleportation is forced movement. It didn't use to be, but I believe it was later errated. I will check.
Page 211 in the RC section on Forced Movement specifically excludes teleportation. There have been no updates to the RC so it is the most recent source.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 6:55PM
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Jan 15, 2006
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Ok, I couldn't find the errata for teleporation, but it doesn't matter for this build.
The mounted combat rules state. Quote "Teleportation: If either the mount or the rider is teleported, the other does not teleport with it. If the mount is teleported without the rider, the rider is dismounted and falls prone."
I see the argument here. This is mine. This rule is addressing the issue of what happens to the rider or the mount if one or the other is teleported. The rule that allows me to do this came after this entry and was not addressed here. I am teleporting, to a space one square up next to my target. I was mounted and charging when I did this, so I should get all the effects that betstows. I arrive at my desitnation one square up. My horse is a willing creature (therefore not forced) who is teleported under me next to the target.
Now according to these rules if taken by raw in an extreme fashion. I would be prone after the telportation. I argue that because of the instantanious affect and the fact that the horse is right below me, I land on the saddle. This is a small interpretation issue that requires DM judgement. I have seen much worse abusive use of the rules in LFR games.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 7:03PM
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You disliking what the rules say does not make them wrong. There is nothing "extreme" about this statement. There is no dispute over meaning or interpretation, you're simply wishing the rule said something else. Now update the build to note that it requires the DM houserule that you can teleport with your mount, and we can be done with this tiresome argument.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 7:09PM
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Jan 15, 2006
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You have a very demanding and bossy way about you that I don't like. You need to cool it. This is a discussion of the interpretation. Mine is not the same as yours. Yours is not absolute. This disussion was very friendly until you entered it. If you can't handle the debate without making demands that others follow your will, please leave the discussion.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 7:12PM
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Jan 15, 2006
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Obviously, this thread is dying. I was looking for someone who help me add more damage or make the character more versitile that just charging, but it got focused on the rules clarification. Thanks to those who contributed.
I'm out.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 8:39PM
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The 11th level feature of the Eldritch Knight allows you to bring one willing creature with you when you teleport with your defender aura active. The creature is teleported to a space adjacent to you.
This was how most were using Charm of the Defender when buiding Eldritch Knights. Interesting enough, I don't think it works with Charm of the Defender. Its states it has to be a willing creature. I don't believe charmed creatures are willing creatures.
People actually did that? That's both hilarious and pathetic.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 11:14PM
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Jun 19, 2004
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The 11th level feature of the Eldritch Knight allows you to bring one willing creature with you when you teleport with your defender aura active. The creature is teleported to a space adjacent to you.
This was how most were using Charm of the Defender when buiding Eldritch Knights. Interesting enough, I don't think it works with Charm of the Defender. Its states it has to be a willing creature. I don't believe charmed creatures are willing creatures.
People actually did that? That's both hilarious and pathetic.
I only charm things so I can mount them, seems like a perfectly normal Friday night to me...
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