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1 year ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 12:58PM #1
Samloyal23
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I cannot find ANY. Can you? Seriously, someone has to have created some content based on these cultures somewhere, but I have not been able to find anything. I want to have some tribes in my campaign based on the cultures of Australia and Polynesia, but I don't know enough to do it from scratch...
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 2:01PM #2
DeathByDonut
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Mechanically I don't see these tribal people being any different than normal humans. You can make new backgrounds or themes to fit the tribal life.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 7:43PM #3
Samloyal23
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I'm strictly 3.X, but I have looked at Al-Qadim and Maztica and Nyambe and always wondered why so much of the world is still unloved by RPGs. Things are improving thanks to settings like these but D&D is still heavily Euro-centric...
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1 year ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 8:13AM #4
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Aboriginal Australia

I can tell you that despite claims of 50,000 years of indigenous occupation they are more rescent than 10,000 years - and speak a sub dialect of Indoeuropean like pretty much every culture in the world. Some of the Northern Coastal tribes have Islamic influences in language and culture - in particular an Aboriginal Assassin known as the Kadaicha man who would take chewings from the heart of termite mounds and powder (this is not a poison it is a kind of glass so no save vs poison) them down into a fine dust the equivalent of powdered glass and blow it in someones face while they breath in sleeping - they would them bleed to death on the inside over many days and weeks. This assassin wears emu feather boots to distract and confuse 'trackers'.

Earlier Humans would have perished due to Megafauna (giant animals/crocodiles that climb trees). There was at some point between first Humans in Australia and the Indoeuropean Aboriginals a colossal Drought where the Simpson desert that is currently two thousand miles from the coast was all the way out to the Coast and the tribes sought food in a coastal setting near natural springs isolated around the coast.

Culturally Aboriginal Women are not Warriors. They are Food Gatherers.

Prestiege Classes
Both are Age Based - and drawn from the Geriatricy - a governing class of elders: The Kaidaicha might be called on to assassinate a young Powerful Warrior who challenges the elders authority or does harm to elders or rapes and uses culturally destructive behaviour.

  • Kaidaicha - (Nature Lore-termites) Like a spiritual Assassin
  • Tracker (Tracking) Like a Ranger except they could track an ant across a rock.


Technology
Where the first humans in Australia(50,000BC-20,000BC) had stone age tools, the indoeurpopean indigenous(10,000BC-5,000BC) had wooden weapons and Fire as a tool for chopping down a tree or curing large bark sections for use as canoes.
The Citadel Megadungeon: http://yellowdingosappendix.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-citadel-mega-dungeon-now-with-room.html
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1 year ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 1:00PM #5
Samloyal23
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I like the kadaicha idea, I'll have to work on that. I've been working on cleric variant based on the Mendoo kit for the Wallara, but if that's been done already I would like to know...
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1 year ago  ::  May 14, 2012 - 11:00PM #6
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The chief problem with representing stone age cultures is that their lack of access to metal equipment tends to make them ineffective at the martial classes - how good is a fighter who can't use a sword and chain mail?  Answer, not very.

Also, they generally prefer being called "indigenous Australians", "aborigines" is a bit out of date and sometimes offensive. 
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1 year ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 5:32PM #7
yellowdingo
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May 14, 2012 -- 11:00PM, mrclarinet wrote:

The chief problem with representing stone age cultures is that their lack of access to metal equipment tends to make them ineffective at the martial classes - how good is a fighter who can't use a sword and chain mail?  Answer, not very. 




Oddly enough they do have representations of combat techniques against superiorly armed foes - the Use of Fear tactics in combat. A Warrior named Nemaluk and his band were on the run from police across the NT. They came up on the Police hunting them and threw Spears made from hollowed Bamboo logs which make a freaky noise as they sail through the air scaring off their horses and spooking the **** out of the coppers. This use of fear is a common theme in combat methodology. From 'Pointing the Bone' which is kind of a 'curse' to Poisons like termite mound chewings...its all about superstition and fear and the use of that in psychological warfare.

In the Japanese - The Samurai which when translated into the 5000BC Indoeuropean refers to Sa-Mu-Rei (to satisfy-mimic inarticulate sounds - to scrape/scratch/cut) which is a primitive concept in using psycological warfare in breaking the will of an opponent.

So there are examples.


May 14, 2012 -- 11:00PM, mrclarinet wrote:

Also, they generally prefer being called "indigenous Australians", "aborigines" is a bit out of date and sometimes offensive. 


Potentially but considering Aboriginal is by definition 'a person born in this land' it should be just as offensive to those who are not considered indigenous australians - even though they were born there as well.

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1 year ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 9:49PM #8
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Beware pseudohistory and the like.

... Indoeuropean?

The aborigenals languages have NO ties to ANY known languages. And they are the oldest separated communauty of humans by now. 

And Japanese have not a lot of ties to IE languages. Samurai is closer to the Han's language - it means 'he who serve' if I remember well.

And there is no 'islamic influences', nothing deep anyway. EVEN in Tores Straight islanders (another group of native peoples, not related directly to Aborigenals - more to natives of the malay islands).

You have some good points, but errors.

I may not be an 'aussie', but I follow well the AH.com and aussies and historians as well. 

Go at AH.com for infos by example and how to make alternate history-like stuff.  (Alternate history in the sense of 'what if', not pseudo sciences.)
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1 year ago  ::  May 16, 2012 - 5:18PM #9
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May 15, 2012 -- 9:49PM, The_Ubbergeek wrote:

Beware pseudohistory and the like.

... Indoeuropean?

The aborigenals languages have NO ties to ANY known languages. And they are the oldest separated communauty of humans by now. 

And Japanese have not a lot of ties to IE languages. Samurai is closer to the Han's language - it means 'he who serve' if I remember well.

And there is no 'islamic influences', nothing deep anyway. EVEN in Tores Straight islanders (another group of native peoples, not related directly to Aborigenals - more to natives of the malay islands).

You have some good points, but errors.

I may not be an 'aussie', but I follow well the AH.com and aussies and historians as well. 

Go at AH.com for infos by example and how to make alternate history-like stuff.  (Alternate history in the sense of 'what if', not pseudo sciences.)




Dude - I have Aboriginal relatives - they use Indo european fragments in their language all the time - the language has indoeuropean roots. They all do - despite 'the accepted version of history'. Indo european is at least 20,000 years old. More importantly They have mortar and Pestle technology and three stages of stone axe implements (the stone age cycles are represented al the way to the neolithic where we have a primitive edge tool - which was invented during the very beginning of the Indoeuropean cycle and spread from there on a global scale. That aint psudoscience - its real. Just because we dont conform to the official version of history - doenst make it false.

The Citadel Megadungeon: http://yellowdingosappendix.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-citadel-mega-dungeon-now-with-room.html
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1 year ago  ::  May 16, 2012 - 7:40PM #10
The_Ubbergeek
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Dude, there is NO indoeuropean links beyond english and such from colonials.

Indoeuropeans are a newcommer of the world compared to their ancestors, -3000. You bring vaguely white powerish thing and you are supposed to be part aborigenals? 

The aborigenals had not an huge amount of techs, and where neolithic peoples. There is a possibility that they lost - unadapted - techs, like the examples of Torres Straight peoples and Tasmanians. (That don't make them 'primitives', but adapted survivors.)

History is a science - and pseudohistorical stuff like afrocentrism will not help the oppressed peoples. False history is NOT empowering.

Real history, real facts. To claim that 'official' X is lie is a sign of such pseudosciences.
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