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Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Armisael wrote:

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:34PM, Syllabea wrote:

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Armisael wrote:

Your scores are botched. They should be thus:

STR 13
CON 11
DEX 16
INT 8
WIS 16
CHA 10

(all of this pre-racials of course)

And dude, look at your powers. Do you see them using STR? Nope. So, you don't need STR to hit with them. You use STR ONLY for Melee Basic Attacks, which you should not be using anyway unless your Leader is granting you some. Thus, unless you KNOW you're gonna play with someone who grants MBAs like crazy, don't take Melee Training yet. Focus on making sure the powers you ARE going to use, AKA your Monk Powers, will actually, y'know, hit.

OH, okay. I see what you're saying. I'll fix them. Sorry, i was getting kinda confused there for a second. Thanks for the help. So how would Miryanth's First Strike fare at lvl 1? I might save that for lvl 2, and get Improved Initiative right now at lvl 1. So i have a greater chance of going first, and hitting hard with Miryanth's AND Open The Gate Of Battle.

Miryanth's is kind of a trap feat - it's a nice damage bonus, but it only works once. Let's put this into perspective: Throughout Heroic, you will obtain a DEX mod of +5, so you'll deal +6 damage at the tail-end of the tier. If you hit three enemies twice, Weapon Focus will have rivaled Miryanth's bonus, and Githzerai Blademaster will have exceeded it. You also have no guarantees of winning initiative, not without dunking a noticeable amount of resources into it, which could be spent elsewhere - in the end, it's just not worth it as a feat to take when you could take Slashing Kama Style, Crashing Tempest Style, Melee Training, Resounding Flurry, or any of many other feats. I'd pass on it entirely.

Oh, okay. From what i understand, Monks can't use weapons with great effeciency, can they? Does it have something to do with their Ki Focuses?

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:41PM, furious_kender wrote:

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Armisael wrote:

Your scores are botched. They should be thus:

STR 13
CON 11
DEX 16
INT 8
WIS 16
CHA 10

(all of this pre-racials of course)

And dude, look at your powers. Do you see them using STR? Nope. So, you don't need STR to hit with them. You use STR ONLY for Melee Basic Attacks, which you should not be using anyway unless your Leader is granting you some. Thus, unless you KNOW you're gonna play with someone who grants MBAs like crazy, don't take Melee Training yet. Focus on making sure the powers you ARE going to use, AKA your Monk Powers, will actually, y'know, hit.

Con 11, dex 18, wis 14. 

This isn't 3rd or 2nd edition.  Monks attack using dexterity, not strength.   You don't need strength at all. 

Nah, too many things require good WIS - you sacrifice too much for it tbqh. It's not entirely dumb to lower WIS, but I feel like it ain't worth it overall.

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@Sylla: Nah, not really - Monks just don't have many Weapon attacks is all. Some Monks can make amazing use of weaponry, though - Frost weapons are a good way to get a cheap and LARGE damage bonus, IIRC, and Desert Wind Monks can use a Firewind Blade and Blistering Flourish to really bring the pain. And of course, Slashing Kama Style, Starblade Flurry, and Crashing Tempest Style all make you want to use weapons.

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:45PM, furious_kender wrote:

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:23PM, Armisael wrote:

I wouldn't get melee training this early unless you've got multiple lazy characters granting you bonuses and attacks. It's more important to secure your hit-chance on your big attacks than it is to get a decent MBA - that can wait until levels 6 to 10, once you have Implement Proficiency, Expertise, and either Weapon Focus, Silvery Glow, or Implement Focus (or Githzerai Blademaster if you're gonna channel attacks through a blade). Babau Gauntlets are a really good way of getting a decent MBA without spending a precious precious feat on it, down the line.

Weapon focus is a complete trap on a monk Armisael. Monks don't have weapon attacks.  They have all implement attacks. 

Yeah, sorry - I keep forgetting they errata'd Weapon Focus applying to channeled attacks in a moment of derpiness.

Don't forget initative, kender.

18/14/11 is the "superior" array on any Dex primary class, but as far as characters I actually play, I'd go 16/16/13/11. Why? DM's sometimes get touchy when they can't hit an AoE melee striker. Plus if you end up with 20/14/13 (after racials), and your FoB is hitting for 2 damage... Kinda sucks. Makes feats/MCing easier (moreso if you are using a PP that uses your secondary stat).

Unless you are playing in a high optimized group. In that case, go crazy.

Apr 10, 2012 -- 2:05PM, furious_kender wrote:

Apr 10, 2012 -- 1:46PM, Armisael wrote:

Nah, too many things require good WIS - you sacrifice too much for it tbqh. It's not entirely dumb to lower WIS, but I feel like it ain't worth it overall.

So it's smart to sacrifice accuracy and AC for......?

Drunken Monkey accuracy,  utility effects, Son of Mercy hilarity if your DM goes by the Player's Strategy Guide reading on roles...I could go on for a while. AC is kind of not an issue for the monk in the first place - accuracy is harder to give up, but hey, you have one of the easiest paths to auto-CA in the game, that'll tide you over until you can start stacking Coordinated Explosion 'n other stuff.