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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 12:43PM
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Not all female characters need to be sexy. End of story.
Pretty much this.
I have a female player in my group currently playing a female dragonborn. She certainly hasn't described them as ugly. I've also have a goliath in the current group, and a revenant in the past group. While my group has also had women playing drow and eladrin, the motivation, atleast not verbally, was never that it was because of attractiveness.
The only female d-born I think i'd describe as genuinely ugly, not just different, is the one on the cover of "The Mark of Karga Kul".
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 12:55PM
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I do want to add that my own personal opinion is that the idea that all artwork of females should use attractive models and especially of Vallejo's artwork is that it's fairly misogynistic. I like a woman with curves in the right places as much as the next guy, but a woman doesn't need to be a shining example of beauty to be a hero. Classical portraits of Joan D'Arc strike me as rather plain, but that's not the appeal of her character. I'm much more intrigued by characters that are not paragons of their archetype.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 1:11PM
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Feb 25, 2012
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I'm not trying to say all female characters need to be sexy... However, in my experience most female players want their character to be attractive. It's really not the most important thing. I was just looking at the pictures, and thought they could have made them look nicer. I'd say it's no more or less important than the male characaters looking cool, brave, heroic, cunning, or anything.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 2:02PM
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I know plenty of women who would laugh at that argument. Many of us want characters who are cool, brave, heoric, etc too.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 2:38PM
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I know plenty of women who would laugh at that argument. Many of us want characters who are cool, brave, heoric, etc too.
I think it's important to note the "too", though. I know, at least in my limited experience, that female gamers want their characters to be cool, brave, cunning, heroic, etc, but each one has also said that they should look at least good, if not ideal. As my mother put it when crafting her character, "Are you kidding? This is fantasy; I wanna be bitchin' hot! It's been a long time since I felt bitchin' hot".
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 4:38PM
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i actually kind of prefer asexual dragonborn, like unless you really knew a lot about them you couldnt tell them apart
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 5:03PM
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As my mother put it when crafting her character, "Are you kidding? This is fantasy; I wanna be bitchin' hot! It's been a long time since I felt bitchin' hot".
That is my experience as well... all the hemming and hawing about appearances aside but you know them annecdotes... maybe there are a few who want to be mud fences.
In classic fairie tales welll having an appearance stat is effectively useless, either the character is ugly and going to be transformed or shiningly and stikingly handsome or beautiful. = same with most player characters.
Joan of Arc is portrayed as plain perhaps to emphasize her pretense of masculinity to be plausible... but they didnt bother with Mulan just emphasized her as a younger boy.
I think if the appearance isnt highly attractive there is an ulterior motive, heheh. Like he is plain so he can blend in wherever he goes. 
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 5:07PM
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I'm not trying to say all female characters need to be sexy... However, in my experience most female players want their character to be attractive.
I've not had that experience. Of the six female characters between my groups, only one has specified their sexiness, and that was only really played for laughs.
i actually kind of prefer asexual dragonborn, like unless you really knew a lot about them you couldnt tell them apart
Same here. It just makes sense to me, seeing as they're walking lizards. Genuinely think the only reason canon says they're warm-blooded is so they could have breasts. :P
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1 year ago ::
Apr 04, 2012 - 6:59PM
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Same here. It just makes sense to me, seeing as they're walking lizards.
They are fantasy dragon related not lizards .. the assumption is yours.
The dragonborn of my world ofcourse have breasts because they are to most appearances human (channelers of Io)
The real world has Dragonborn too... they ofcourse are human seeming as well
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1 year ago ::
Apr 05, 2012 - 11:10AM
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Genuinely think the only reason canon says they're warm-blooded is so they could have breasts. :P
If I remember correctly, the 3.5 draconomicon said that dragons themselves were warmblooded. I would kind of expect some kind of conceptual mix between a warm blooded species (dragons) and another warm blooded species (humans) would be warm blooded.
(I'm also not totally sure why they couldn't have breasts if they were cold blooded. But I do think they probably have breasts/milk by canon more to justify the artwork than the other way around. That female dragons don't have breasts remains a totally reasonable justification if they had been written/drawn without those particular gender distinctions. And they could have easily been given another specific tell, like maybe the males have horns and/or frills while the females have that hair-like stuff they got.)
To go back to something the opp said, I do think a few species such as dragonborn and gnolls (and I'd probably put orcs in there too) make sense for both genders to be more on the muscular side rather than lithe. They strike me as the sort that see that as attractive in a woman, contrary to typical human preferences, which would of course encourage them to push that aspect and also apply some genetic pressure via natural selection. (And of course there's also the class question.. a female fighter of any race should be notably more muscular than most male wizards, for example. )
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