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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 8:34AM #31
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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Sorry to dig up an old thread but i'm looking at Eladrin Knight/Eldritch Knight who wields a Master's Blade Longsword and Guardian Shield. I'm thinking MC Swormage for intelligent blademaster and perhaps ESA. Which would be a better theme Guardian or Illiyanbruen? I'm leaning towards Guardian but the other seems more flavorful plus i get to bring a friend along for the ride.
What other feats should i be getting?
1.Free Expertise:Master at Arms
1.Melee Training(INT)
2.Blade Initiate, Retrain MT for Intelligent Blademaster 
4.Unbalancing Shield shove
6.Eladrin Swordmage Advance( If i teleport into a group of enemies do i get the free attack against all of them?)
8.Martial Cross-Training(Can i swap for a Swordmage Power?)
10.Superior Will
Does this seem right. I would like to stick with sword and board not hammers.Yes i know that would be more OP but... 
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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 1:06PM #32
DarthPotater
Date Joined: Feb 28, 2011
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4: Unbalancing shield shove is a waste. If you want CA pick other feats like Vicious advantage
8: By RAW yes. RAI I am not sure.
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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 5:13PM #33
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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May 24, 2012 -- 1:06PM, DarthPotater wrote:

4: Unbalancing shield shove is a waste. If you want CA pick other feats like Vicious advantage
8: By RAW yes. RAI I am not sure.



Yeah, now that you mention it thats a total derp on my part. Defend the line stance slows, i don't know why i was thinking i didn't have a slowing effect.
I wasn't sure about the power swap. Is there a swordmage power that would be good to take with the power swap. 

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 1:34AM #34
DarthPotater
Date Joined: Feb 28, 2011
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May 24, 2012 -- 5:13PM, ezrider23 wrote:


Yeah, now that you mention it thats a total derp on my part. Defend the line stance slows, i don't know why i was thinking i didn't have a slowing effect.
I wasn't sure about the power swap. Is there a swordmage power that would be good to take with the power swap. 



Nothing awesome.

Dimensional Vortex (level 3) is awesome, but only usefull in the first round of combat, when enemies win initiative and you are still not well positioned. But you should optimize your initiative, and the power is ranged, so it provokes OA.

Thunderclap strike (7) is not bad too.

Sapphire - Swormage Dragon Guardian - Dont touch my allies build. Swordmage / Sigil Carver / Draconic incarnation
The Holy Slayer - A Striker - Defender Fighter | Cleric / Barbarian - Paragon of Victory
WEREBEAR BATTLEMIND: You wont go where you want. - A Battlemind (Druid) / Unbound Nomad / Topaz Crusader
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 6:33AM #35
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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May 25, 2012 -- 1:34AM, DarthPotater wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 5:13PM, ezrider23 wrote:


Yeah, now that you mention it thats a total derp on my part. Defend the line stance slows, i don't know why i was thinking i didn't have a slowing effect.
I wasn't sure about the power swap. Is there a swordmage power that would be good to take with the power swap. 



Nothing awesome.

Dimensional Vortex (level 3) is awesome, but only usefull in the first round of combat, when enemies win initiative and you are still not well positioned. But you should optimize your initiative, and the power is ranged, so it provokes OA.

Thunderclap strike (7) is not bad too.



It seems the CB doesn't allow me to swap out a Power strike for a Swordmage power. I guess it doesn't consider you an actual Swordmage in that sense but i am still able to qualify for PP and feats.

I know i shouldn't rely on the CB but that's the way we build characters in this group plus i've gotten super lazy when it comes to this sort of stuff.

I'm also wondering if there was any real reason for the power swap in the first place? Would it be better to just go the strength route and have the option to to power swap into fighter. I don't believe the Eldritch knight Relies on Intelligence so i won't be hurt there.

I could always swap over to a straight shielding swordmage and see how that works out.

Thanks for all your help and i'll probably be turning to all of you for assistance in the very near future. 

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 4:36PM #36
onecrazymojo
Date Joined: Feb 13, 2006
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CB won't let you power swap out power strike because you are not allowed to. Normally, you can only use power swap on powers that you had a choice in taking. Since there is no choice regarding power strike, you can't swap it. But if your group wants to do that, that's cool.

Usually, yes, being a Str version and getting one of the crazy fighter powers is the better option. At the very least, it saves you a feat.
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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 6:20PM #37
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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May 25, 2012 -- 4:36PM, onecrazymojo wrote:

CB won't let you power swap out power strike because you are not allowed to. Normally, you can only use power swap on powers that you had a choice in taking. Since there is no choice regarding power strike, you can't swap it. But if your group wants to do that, that's cool. Usually, yes, being a Str version and getting one of the crazy fighter powers is the better option. At the very least, it saves you a feat.



I was thinking you could use Martial Cross Training To "lose" a use of Power Strike and take a swordmage power much the same as you could with your parent class. CB seems to say otherwise. I was thinking that by taking the Blade InitiateMC feat i was considered a member of that class but it would appear that this is only a qualifier for specifics such as taking feats and PP.

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