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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 1:40PM
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Hybrid Talent
Heroic Tier
Prerequisite: Hybrid character
Benefit: You gain a hybrid talent option for one of your hybrid class entries.
Special: You gain this feat at 11th level if you don’t take a paragon path. If you gain this feat twice, you can’t use it to choose an option that you already have.
does that special line override the prerequisit? Meaning can an Avenger (PMC ranger) get the feat?
Can you retrain it? (or other free feats, such as ranger's toughness?)
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 1:53PM
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No, you can't retrain it. Yes, I'd guess that a PMC character gets it free. But I'd need to check the rules to be sure.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 2:16PM
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No, it doesn't override it. Hybrid only, PMC cannot get it. It is free if you go paragon hybrid, though.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 3:33PM
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RAW you get it if you PMC, actually, but you can only get feats you qualify for, so you have to actually be a hybrid. IIRC it even works that way in the CB (you get it if you're a hybrid and PMC).
You can never retrain granted feats. It is in the retraining rules somewhere, though it might be worth checking the RC ones to see if they forgot it.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 4:22PM
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Wait, mellored, did you mean playing a hybrid and then PMCing? Because no, you can't get both PMC and paragon hybrid. The feat doesn't stand in a vacuum: it's one of the stated benefits of going paragon hybrid. You have to go paragon hybrid to get it at 11. You can choose to not take a paragon path and instead take PMC, or you can choose to not take a paragon path and instead take paragon hybrid. You can't trade away your paragon path twice. It's like trying to take hide expertise on a warden, it doesn't work.
Even if you could take both paragon hybrid and PMC, you still can't get hybrid talent for your PMC class. It would only apply to your two hybrid classes, not your PMC. A non-hybrid PMC cannot utilize any part of hybrid talent: even if you conjure an argument to give yourself the feat and ignore its prerequisite, you can't benefit from its effect because you have no hybrid classes.
Short answer? No.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 4:47PM
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His question was "Do you get hybrid talent if you PMC since you're not taking a PP?" The answer is yes by RAW, if you meet the other requirements. Normal restrictions apply.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 6:52PM
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As Alcestis points out by the words printed in the book there are not 3 options
1-paragon path
2-paragon multiclass
3-paragon hybrid
there are only two options
1-paragon path
2-do not take a paragon path
PHB under the multiclass rules tells you what a multiclass character with 3 power swaps can get if thet do not take a paragon path
PHB3 under the hybrid rules tell you what a hybrid character gets if they do not take a paragon path
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 8:31PM
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1-paragon path
2-do not take a paragon path, instead gain X
3-do not take a paragon path, instead gain Y
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1 year ago ::
Mar 30, 2012 - 10:41AM
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1-paragon path
2-do not take a paragon path, instead gain X
3-do not take a paragon path, instead gain Y
In either case of 2 or 3, you did not take a paragon path. The feat doesn't care whether you took option X or option Y.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 30, 2012 - 2:09PM
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But paragon multiclass and paragon hybrid do.
PMC: "If you have the Novice Power, Acolyte Power, and Adept Power feats for a class, you can choose to continue to gain powers from that class rather than take a paragon path. If you choose this option, you gain several benefits."
PH: "Rather than take a paragon path at 11th level, a hybrid character can choose to gain more powers from his or her classes. If you choose this option, you gain several benfits. At 11th level, you gain Hybrid Talent as a bonus fet, even if you already have it."
You can't 'rather than' the same thing twice. PMC and Paragon Hybrid are mutually exclusive.
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