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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 9:20PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 30, 2007
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After doing a little bit of reading I think Paragon Multiclassing can be abused. Its current wording is "At 11th level, you can choose to replace one of your at-will powers with an at-will power from your second class." While the RAI is clear that it wants you to replace a 1st level at-will attack power with a 1st level at-will attack power from your multiclassed class that is not RAW.
Currently you can use an any At-Will attack power of any level or even an At-Will utility of any level as your power to be replaced. What I really find interesting is that with the ambigous wording it allows the aquisition of previous unpoachable at-wills. Specifically many of the essential at-wills that don't have a level, psionic at-wills of any level or even at-will powers like Swordmage Aegis', Combat Challenge/Agility, Hunter's Quarry/Warlock's Curse and the like.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 9:24PM
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Yes. Been known about for a while. Only one really effective build using it, the entry cost is just too high and giving up a PP is harsh. But meet Mia: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 9:24PM
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You're correct in the main. However, it's STILL a bad option in most cases, the most prominent (only?) exception being Avenger PMC Ranger for Twin Strike, which doesn't even use shenanigans.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 9:25PM
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You're correct in the main. However, it's STILL a bad option in most cases, the most prominent (only?) exception being Avenger PMC Ranger for Twin Strike, which doesn't even use shenanigans.
PMC for Dual Weapon Attack, actually. And yes, at a minimum it is the only CharOp build that ever made any truly optimized use of it.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 9:43PM
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Potential exists in Versatile Master for half elves, "If you choose the paragon multiclassing option, you can choose powers at 11th level, 12th level, and 20th level from any class, instead of only from your second class. " This can result in some amusing one-shot builds, with combinations not normally possible.
But still, losing out on the Paragon Path is far too detrimental. Just not worth it in the end.
This is CharOp. We not only assume block-of-tofu monsters, but also block-of-tofu DMs.
One reach cheese'd threatening reach Spiked Chain shuts down any non-teleporting quarterback.
You're already refluffing, what not refluff to something that doesn't suck?
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 10:02PM
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Jan 30, 2007
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I keep thinking of a Warlock|Executioner of PM into ranger and either gains Dual Weapon Attack or Hunter's Quarry. Or a fighter gaining an Aegis for some extra superb marking/punishment abilites.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 10:14PM
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For the Warlock|Executioner PMC into Ranger for Dual Weapon attack... why? Both of your damage features are once per turn. So you are essentially making a dex offhand attack (not primary stat by any means) for minimal damage. Quarry might have promise, but at a really high cost.
Ours is a world where people don't know what they want, and are willing to go through hell to get it. -Don Marquis
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 10:20PM
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Jan 30, 2007
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With Eldritch Strike you can double up and use both damage features in the same attack. Dual Weapon Strike would then add a little extra damage with Dex as your secondary stat.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 10:20PM
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Just gonna toss out that you can't get Quarry. It shows up as a power in the CB and the Compendium, but RAW it is a class feature that is a bunch of text. It was never formatted as a power. Ditto Curse and a bunch of other stuff. So in addition to being a horrendously bad idea, it doesn't even work.
@Mod: So you get to make an MBA with no bonuses if Eldritch strike hits. That is terrible. You sacrificed your PP and three feats for that?
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 11:26PM
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Jan 14, 2011
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You can however get a Monk Flurry of Blows.
A half-elf could potentially go Warlock|Executioner PMC Sorcerer, take Sorcererous Power for + Str or Dex to arcane attacks. Versatile Master for the Flurry of Blows.
You can take the Desert Wind Flurry of Blows (Charisma based)
This should give you at will 1W + Curse + Attack Finesse + Cha + Str or Dex + Enhancements/Feats + Flurry for 2+Cha in Paragon.
I havent done the calculations to see if this actually gets you above baseline striker, but its the most I could get in at will.
You can also get some nova going.
You were half-elf so you can get a Dilettante power if you want, not sure what would be good, possibly Blistering Flourish (Monk for + Cha to melee attack damage EONT)
Take the Battlemind Utility Hands of the Titan for +Cha to weapon attacks EONT and a few extra keywords.
Take Lightning Cuts with your Sorcerer Encounter Power Swap (minor action attack)
You can get low slash at 11 with the PMC Versatile Master (if you go Dex secondary for Sorcerous Power) for another minor action attack that is W+Dex+Cha (if flanking).
I think the 2 round nova would go something like this
Turn 1 Setup:
Minor:Curse (if needed)
Minor: Hands of the Titan
Standard: Blistering Florish 1d8 + Dex (Power)
No Action: Desert Wind Flurry of Blows [2+Cha+CHa (2nd Cha from Blistering Flourish)]
Turn 2 Nova:
Minor: Lightning Cuts: 2d4 (Power) + Cha (Hands of the Titan) + Cha (Blistering Flourish) + Dex (Sorcerous Power)
Minor: Low Slash: W+Dex (Power) +Cha (Flanking) + Cha (Hands of the Titan) +Cha (Blistering Flourish)
Standard: Eldritch Strike: W + Cha (power) + Cha (Hands of the Titan) + Cha (Blistering Flourish) + Dex (Sorcerous Power) + Curse (2d6 to 3d8) + 2d8 (Attack Finesse)
No Action: Desert Wind Flurry of Blows [2+Cha+CHa (2nd Cha from Blistering Flourish)]
I'm still not sure its worth it since I havent done the actual DPR calculations, but it is a neat stacking of powers.
Thoughts?
Edit: Forgot the Flurry of Blows in the 2nd turn and spelling.
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