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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 1:09PM
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In 4th edition and in the book draconomicom:metallic dragons,wizards of the coast said that metallic dragons are now unaligned  ,which SCREWD UP the game!  with the help of good metallic dragons, killing the evil chromatic dragons is funny, but now while there are no real good metallic dragons(which the are now unaligned) the game is not very funny!Can you Wizards of the coast fix this problem?because the thing that makes me your fan are these good alligned(not unalligned) mettalic dragons.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 1:19PM
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Hopefully alignment will be relegated to history in 5e.
In any event, any creature can be any alignment, so your protest is unnecessary. If you wish a good metallic dragon, you simply declare that it is so. If you wish a good chromatic dragon, you do the same.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 1:30PM
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Hopefully alignment will be relegated to history in 5e.
In any event, any creature can be any alignment, so your protest is unnecessary. If you wish a good metallic dragon, you simply declare that it is so. If you wish a good chromatic dragon, you do the same.
Indeed. The original MM mentioned that Alignments are not rigid, and can variate. The other two mention that the monster's most common alignment is listed within their block. All together this means that while the game itself assigns certain alignments to certain creatures, that is not specifically the only alignment they can ever have.
I would much prefer that the books allow for and encourage that kind of flexibility.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 4:19PM
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I would personally prefer good metallic dragons with a note saying that draconic greed and arrogance means that plenty of them fall to evil. I can houserule it that way with no trouble whatsoever.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 4:52PM
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Easy fix. Make them good. Or Chaotic Good. Or whatever. In my game I use alignments and factions. You have Good, Unaligned, and Evil. Those are alignments. You then have Law, Neutrality, and Chaos. Those are factions. Most normal people are unaligned.
If you are the DM, just make the monsters what ever alignment, faction, or whatever you want.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 5:00PM
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I prefer to have the Bahamut v Tiamat alignment war, with their corresponding armies of appropriate alignment.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 5:03PM
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I prefer to have the Bahamut v Tiamat alignment war, with their corresponding armies of appropriate alignment.
Yes, but there's no reason those alignments have to be drawn along chromatic/metallic lines. 'Good dragons over here, regardless of scales, bad dragons over there, regardless of scales'.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 5:28PM
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I prefer to have the Bahamut v Tiamat alignment war, with their corresponding armies of appropriate alignment.
Yes, but there's no reason those alignments have to be drawn along chromatic/metallic lines. 'Good dragons over here, regardless of scales, bad dragons over there, regardless of scales'.
Oh, sure -- absolutely! I'm not a fan of putting "Always XX" on creatures that have the necessary blend of sentience and sapience to have volition. I would prefer to see the alignment block for metallic dragons as "Usually XG" similar to how I prefer Demons as usually CE and Devils as usually LE, as thematic representation of those societies.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 7:12PM
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I prefer to have the Bahamut v Tiamat alignment war, with their corresponding armies of appropriate alignment.
Yes, but there's no reason those alignments have to be drawn along chromatic/metallic lines. 'Good dragons over here, regardless of scales, bad dragons over there, regardless of scales'.
The reason is mostly because Golds (Well, I know for sure golds at least) are based on Oriental dragons, which tend to be helpful, while the others are based on Western style ones, which tend to steal princesses and horde treasure
Of course, I prefer them being unaligned because the best story I have ever heard of people playing a dragon was the time one of them was a blue dragon, and opened his own casino in the middle of a desert, right on a trade route, and made good use of Sand to Water in order to turn this town into a vibrant oasis
Of course, then anyone who didn't pay the tax to enter would be hunted down by the bandits the dragon had paid to hunt down people, so uh... Not very good. But, pretty unique!
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 8:00PM
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I'd also like to point out:
the 4e books the core books(namely the phb, dmg, the mosntermanuals), the underdark, the essential books, the dragonomicons, opengrave, etc( the exceptions are the FR, eberron and ds settings along with any books tied to those settings) are all set up and geared to the Nentir Vale setting.
thus dragons in the other settings are not unaligned
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