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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 1:23AM #1
Rhok
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2009
Posts: 3
Heyo,

Playing in a local group I want to bring forward the following combination:

Race: Bugbear (To allow the use of Large Weapons, +2 STR)
Class: Bararian (Berserker, to use 'Howling Strike' 1W+1D6+STR Level 1 At-Will)
Theme: Unseelie Agent (To Create the 'Magic Weapon' bonus at level 1)
Feat: Fullblade Proficency

Using the Agent to create a +1 Large Fullblade (+3 Prof, 2D6 DMG, 2Hand, High Crit, Heavy Blade)

Ideal Combination: +9 to Hit at 20 Strength while attacking with the Fullblade +1, dealing:

1D6 +1
1D6 +1
1D6 +1
+5 DMG
----------------- Min 11 Damage, Max 26

And thanks to High Crit,
7
7
7
1D6 +1
1D6 +1
+5 DMG
----------------- Min 30 Damage, 40 Damage Critical

The Real Question: Can the Unseelie Agent Theme Benefit be used to create large weapons? I'm not sure if this has come up before but it seems on the more powerful side of at-will attacks for straight created level one characters. Especially at +9 to hit.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 1:46AM #2
svendj
Date Joined: Apr 14, 2010
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Sure, why not? It doesn't say that the weapon has to be medium sized. 

You do get one thing wrong in your calculation though. The +1 enhancement bonus to damage doesn't get added to every die roll, but only to the total. So Howling Strike deals 1W+1D6+STR+enhancement (1) damage. 
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 4:33AM #3
stonewynd
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2010
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I have a related question. Can it be used to create a quarterstaff that can then be used as an implement? What about an accurate quarterstaff?
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 5:06AM #4
svendj
Date Joined: Apr 14, 2010
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Yes, and yes. As long as it's a weapon with which you have proficiency, Unseelie Agent can make it. 
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 1:50PM #5
Rhok
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2009
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Thanks for the quick response.

On a side note, the way damage enhancement is worded seems counterproductive.

+1 to Damage Rolls seems like it would add a single point of damage to every damage die you role while using said item.

+1 to Damage on the otherhand seems like it would add a single point of damage to every attack used with the weapon. Which is apparently how the mechanic works, is there a reason why the word 'Rolls' is used?
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 1:56PM #6
tobascodagama
Date Joined: Jul 16, 2010
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The rule is written that way to exclude damaging effects and attacks that don't roll dice, e.g. Magic Missile. In D&D terms, a "damage roll" explicitly includes all the dice you roll. See page 22 of the Rules Compendium.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 3:09PM #7
Rhok
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2009
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Mar 2, 2012 -- 1:56PM, tobascodagama wrote:

The rule is written that way to exclude damaging effects and attacks that don't roll dice, e.g. Magic Missile. In D&D terms, a "damage roll" explicitly includes all the dice you roll. See page 22 of the Rules Compendium.




Makes sense now, thanks.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 9:24PM #8
Nirafelos
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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no need for howling strike, either.

berserkers get +1d8 to their MBA and the at-wills designed for them (notably run down and jarring strike) once their Berserker Fury is active, which is higher than the 1d6 from howling strike.

Savage Cut, one of the HotFW encounter powers, deals 2[W]+1d8+str and will trigger your Berserker Fury.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 2:00AM #9
thespaceinvader
Date Joined: Oct 28, 2010
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Indeed - once your Berserker is Furying, you're far better off with straight MBAs for charging, which will do more damage and have MUCH more support than Howling Strike.

I go with Run Down/Pressing Strike or Run Down/Savage Reach until I have Curtain of Steel, at which point, that's an awesome way to get your Fury on.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 9:12AM #10
Gnaric
Date Joined: Nov 11, 2008
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I noticed on the Character builder that the superior implements (accurate dagger for example) is not a weapon choice for Unseelie Agent, in fact neither is shortbow for some reason.
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