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1 year ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 10:09AM #11
Koval
Date Joined: Jun 22, 2009
Posts: 486
Battlemind looks interesting but it seems to me that the general consensus is that there is a period of time during heroic where you are just meh. Maybe I'm wrong. Swordmage is a maybe, I'm liking the solidity of a knight.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 12:14PM #12
Ibaum
Date Joined: May 7, 2011
Posts: 131

Feb 27, 2012 -- 10:09AM, Koval wrote:

Battlemind looks interesting but it seems to me that the general consensus is that there is a period of time during heroic where you are just meh. Maybe I'm wrong. Swordmage is a maybe, I'm liking the solidity of a knight.


Battleminds do just fine during heroic.  But they're more mobile than other defenders (and swordmages too).  I'm looking at your group and thinking you should probably go with a Fighter or Warden.  You might also look into Mommy Was An Orc's hybrid Fighter-Battlemind.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 4:02PM #13
Koval
Date Joined: Jun 22, 2009
Posts: 486
I'll check out that build thanks, my feeling is similiar and i will revisist the battlemind.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 7:53AM #14
kabooki369
Date Joined: Mar 20, 2007
Posts: 304
There is no one in your group that has the INT primary and I feel that is important. Swordmage is a strong choice. I would also consider Battlemind due to no CON primary either but it is less needed in a group.

The need for marking many opponents is probably not nessesary to your group. If it is an issue you are worried about, try the Fighter/(invoker) multiclass.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 10:45AM #15
Rakashamano
Date Joined: Apr 27, 2010
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Maybe I'm really underestimating the importantce of a INT primary, I was going to go Dragonborn/Kulkor Arms Master and try to abuse the pushing and proning etc.... You made me rethink the INT primary situation but I'll still linger on it. Is shielding swordmage able bodied to be a  primary defender?

The eladrin frost build the guide has up looks apealing, maybe I'll check out assualt. 
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 9:38PM #16
Ibaum
Date Joined: May 7, 2011
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Mar 1, 2012 -- 10:45AM, Rakashamano wrote:

Maybe I'm really underestimating the importantce of a INT primary, I was going to go Dragonborn/Kulkor Arms Master and try to abuse the pushing and proning etc.... You made me rethink the INT primary situation but I'll still linger on it. Is shielding swordmage able bodied to be a  primary defender?

The eladrin frost build the guide has up looks apealing, maybe I'll check out assualt. 


INT primary just means rounding out your party with INT skills...Arcana, Religion, etc.  They're useful, but hardly necessary.  My group plays without an INT primary character.  Every now and then we wish we had someone better at the skill, but we get along fine without.

Swordmages are decent.  They don't optimize like Fighters, and they're not as tough as Wardens or Battleminds.  They don't have as many options as Paladins, to secondary leader or striker or mass mark.  The other problem is that their mark punishment only fires off when an ally is hit.  But they can be extremely fun to play.  There is some great multi-class synergy with Wizard.  Whenever we take a break from our campaign to play some kind of one off (DM can't be there or wants a week to play) my brother plays an Ensnaring Swordmage and ends up bugging the c*** out of DMs yanking monsters out of position.  Shielding Swordmage is supposed to be more effective, so will be just fine, even if it doesn't optimize the same as some of the others.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 7:25AM #17
Mr.Durriken
Date Joined: Apr 14, 2011
Posts: 228

I played a battlemind as the only defender in a 6 pc party from 1-4 lvl.  He was awesome with one exception.  Daze was the absolute worst.  The battlemind relies on reactions and daze completely robs you of you ability to do anything.  Immobilize never hurt me that much but daze just sucked.


But I think it kinda sucks for any defender.  So if you can afford it, get a 15 wisdom and take the superior will feat so you can save at the beginning of your turn.


TjD 


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 9:56AM #18
Rakashamano
Date Joined: Apr 27, 2010
Posts: 33
Thanks everybody
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