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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 12:13PM
#11
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Date Joined:
Feb 20, 2012
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Sneak Attack damage is extra damage, and therefore a part of the damage roll.
A Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls that include Sneak Attack damage use Strength.
Precision Throw replaces Strength with Dexterity in Ranged Basic attacks.
The Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls for ranged basic attacks that include Sneak Attack damage use Dexterity instead of Strength if she takes Precision Throw.
No. Precision Throw does not state that it allows you to change bonus damage to dexterity, so it doesn't. Precision Throw makes a heavy thrown weapon into a light thrown weapon for ranged basics. It does nothing for light thrown weapons.
Wrong wrong wrong. The rule does not state any of those restrictions, so none of them exist.
Precision Throw's text is, and has always been: "Benefit: Whenever you make a ranged basic attack using a thrown weapon with which you have proficiency, you can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack roll and the damage roll." The weapon need not be heavy thrown, and Dexterity replaces Strength "for the attack roll and damage roll".
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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 1:33PM
#12
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Date Joined:
Oct 25, 2007
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Sneak Attack damage is extra damage, and therefore a part of the damage roll.
A Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls that include Sneak Attack damage use Strength.
Precision Throw replaces Strength with Dexterity in Ranged Basic attacks.
The Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls for ranged basic attacks that include Sneak Attack damage use Dexterity instead of Strength if she takes Precision Throw.
No. Precision Throw does not state that it allows you to change bonus damage to dexterity, so it doesn't. Precision Throw makes a heavy thrown weapon into a light thrown weapon for ranged basics. It does nothing for light thrown weapons.
Wrong wrong wrong. The rule does not state any of those restrictions, so none of them exist.
Precision Throw's text is, and has always been: "Benefit: Whenever you make a ranged basic attack using a thrown weapon with which you have proficiency, you can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack roll and the damage roll." The weapon need not be heavy thrown, and Dexterity replaces Strength "for the attack roll and damage roll".
You simply aren't understanding how to read the RAW. The RAW does what the RAW states. Nothing more and nothing less. A ranged basic with a light thrown is [w]+dex with or without Precision Throw. That is all the feat does. It does not change all the bonus damage to dex. For example, Blackguards don't change all the +charisma bonus damage to dex s long as they stick to throwing ranged basics. Why does it work this way? Because it changes the DAMAGE ROLL, not the bonus damage, not extra damage.....
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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 1:40PM
#13
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Jun 17, 2010
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Bonus damage and extra damage is explicitly part of the damage roll.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 2:11PM
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Nov 23, 2003
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Because it changes the DAMAGE ROLL, not the bonus damage, not extra damage.....
In adddition to mand12's comment above, there's also the still-somewhat-open question of "does adding dice to a static damage event turn it into a rolled one?" The reading that doesn't break BB has some vague undefined notion of what is inherent to the power. Unfortunately I don't know of anywhere that it's actually defined.
"Nice assumptions. Completely wrong assumptions, but by jove if being incorrect stopped people from making idiotic statements, we wouldn't have modern internet subculture." Kerrus
Practical gameplay runs by neither RAW or RAI, but rather "A Compromise Between The Gist Of The Rule As I Recall Getting The Impression Of It That One Time I Read It And What Jerry Says He Remembers, Whatever, We'll Look It Up Later If Any Of Us Still Give A Damn." Erachima
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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 2:28PM
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Oct 25, 2007
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Because it changes the DAMAGE ROLL, not the bonus damage, not extra damage.....
In adddition to mand12's comment above, there's also the still-somewhat-open question of "does adding dice to a static damage event turn it into a rolled one?" The reading that doesn't break BB has some vague undefined notion of what is inherent to the power. Unfortunately I don't know of anywhere that it's actually defined.
It's doesn't just break BB. It breaks FoB as well, as it can become a damage roll too (e.g., Malec Keth) under the liberal definitions of "damage roll." But you're right, I was treating damage roll as "inherent to the power" because this has been the communally understood definition for some time.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 2:38PM
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Feb 20, 2012
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Blackguards don't change all the +charisma bonus damage to dex s long as they stick to throwing ranged basics. Why does it work this way?
It works that way because "Strength" and "Charisma" are different words, and Precision Throw only refers to replacing Strength with Dexterity. Is this some sort of joke?
If you want to change the stat from Dark Menace, you'll have to replace Charisma with something. Like a Half-Elf Blackguard who uses CHA-based Eldritch Strike, and then uses Adept Dilettante to replace that with WIS. She could indeed replace Dark Menace's CHA with WIS when making attacks with that particular power, though I have no clue why she'd want to.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 21, 2012 - 2:59PM
#17
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Envoy to the Fey will get you two rolls for bluff if the target is of Fey origin.
Defensive bluff for Halflings gives you a bluff check to get CA on second wind.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 24, 2012 - 2:07AM
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Feb 20, 2012
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I noticed, but since Envoy to the Fey is way too situational, and Halflings don't have an easy way to second wind as an off-action, it's not going to give you enough of a benefit to be worth mentioning.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 14, 2012 - 11:29AM
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Isn't there a free action attack limit somewhere in the rules?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 14, 2012 - 3:06PM
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Yes there is, 1/turn... I don't believe this build intended more than that. The trick presented with this build was using bluff to obtain CA more than 1/encounter (with feint).
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