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Switch to Forum Live View Heather, Alluring Rogue (Changeling Escaped Slave Rogue/Arena Champion)
1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2012 - 8:34PM #1
Alraune
Date Joined: Feb 20, 2012
Posts: 678


"Never underestimate the power of a pretty face." —Common Wisdom


The Premise


The Arena Champion Paragon Path has a largely overlooked, but highly optimizable level 16 feature.


Seize Opening (16th level): Whenever you successfully use Bluff to gain combat advantage in combat, you can make a basic attack against that target as a free action.


At a glance, this is basically useless, letting you make a basic attack with CA once per encounter after spending a standard action. However, the wording doesn't require you to actually use the feint action as defined under the Bluff skill's entry, but rather applies to any use of Bluff that gives you CA. This build accumulates a sufficient number of extra and off-action methods of using Bluff to gain combat advantage that it can make a free basic virtually every round.


This build's namesake is the Fire Emblem character Heather, a Rogue and serial con artist. The trick most naturally fits the Rogue, and as it's one of the few ways to gain a bunch of extra RBAs, I'll be using a ranged Rogue here. Most of the components are also accessible to other classes however, and it can be easily adapted for the Skald, Ranger, Blackguard, Warlock, Hybrid Executioner, and so forth. All you really need is a good Bluff check and a valid basic.


The Pieces


More checks means more rounds with more attacks. That part's simple. But which ones to use?


There are a number of ways to make off-action CA-granting bluff checks, not all of which are equally useful, not all of which are equally available, and some of which may raise eyebrows from your DM. I'll group the options by legal questionability, then goodness.


Straightforwardly legal Show


No iffiness here, they do exactly what it says: you make a bluff check, you get combat advantage.


Changeling Trick - Minor action duplication of the feint rule, meaning that your racial power now gives you a basic attack. Very hard to pass up.


Daring Performer - This feat gives the Rogue at-will Deft Strike a built-in feint. That by itself wouldn't be so amazing, except that this is an arena training feat, and therefore also satisfies a prerequisite for Arena Champion.


Astonishing Wound - One of the three reasons to use the Escaped Slave theme, this E7/17 can be used in melee or at range, has a bluff check for CA baked right in, and immobilizes the target on a hit.


Greenspawn Banespeak - This familiar gives a +2 bonus to bluff checks, and lets you make a bluff check as a minor action once per encounter. It requires you be arcane, which may not be worth the MC for Rogues, but Skalds and those who MC Skald are well-advised to take it.


Black-Hearted Knave - This theme's level 10 feature lets you use the feint action as a minor action. Redundant to Daring Performer for Rogues, but other classes may appreciate it, especially if they already have better encounter powers than Astonishing Wound.



Lateral thinking required Show


These methods of getting CA via bluff check are more indirect, but still qualify.


Hidden Strike - When it works, this power makes creatures treat you as invisible, and therefore grant you CA. The second of the three reasons to be an Escaped Slave.


Dirty Tricks - Making a bluff check as a minor action to move one square without provoking gets you CA if you use it to move into flank.


Black-Hearted Knave - This theme's level 10 feature also lets you make a bluff check to create a distraction to hide, which will get you CA if it works, but requires you have good Bluff and Stealth.


Cutthroat - As with Black-Hearted Knave, this lets you create a distraction to hide as a minor action, and gives you Stealth training as well. It eats your MC slot though.



Yeah, no Show


These don't legally work. Though you could try to put them past your DM anyway, I suppose. Cheater.


Perfect Feint - Minor action to gain CA with no check. This Rogue U6 requires Bluff to take, but doesn't actually use it in the power. If you somehow can convince your DM and guilty conscience that it's OK, it acts as a better equivalent to Dirty Tricks.


Battle Feint - This power gives an adjacent ally CA, not you. In order for it to count, your ally would need a rule of the form "any creature granting combat advantage to you grants combat advantage to your allies", and even that wouldn't work because it only gives them CA during their next attack, not for a time span. Dirty Tricks works in most of the same situations that this would though, so it's no big loss.



In addition to the rule elements that grant extra bluff checks that can be turned into attacks, there are a few other Bluff-check augmenting elements that deserve mention.


Bluff check boosters Show


Note that the verbage on most of these rule elements is stricter than that on Seize Opening, which means they only apply to the "Straightforwardly legal" category above, but that can easily be 3+ times per encounter, and thus well worth taking.

Sambrese Rake - This feat gives an untyped +3 bonus and rerolls to your bluff checks made to gain CA and lets you shift 1 square whenever you make such a check. Requires Windrise Ports background.


Skilled Feint - This feat gives a smaller untyped bonus that only applies to the feint action, but it gives an extra die of sneak attack damage that lasts until the end of your next turn whenever you make a Bluff check to gain CA. Requires you be a Rogue, obviously.


Escaped Slave - Yes, there's more! In addition to its powers which were mentioned above, the Escaped Slave theme also gives you free skill training in Bluff.


Distracting Feint - This feat makes enemies who you make Bluff checks for CA against also grant CA to your allies. Could do worse.


Feign Injury - This feat lets you slide the target of a Bluff check to gain CA 1 square when successful, but only if you are bloodied at the time. Too situational, though it'd have been nice back when Spark Slippers were a thing.


Deception Mastery - This feat lets you use Bluff for deception rituals, gives a +2 feat bonus to bluff, and allows you to eschew the component cost of a deception ritual once per day. Totally campaign-dependent in utility.



The Product


With the exception of working in the above stuff, the choices made are pretty standard. It's a tough choice between Skald and Seeker for the MC here, but this build goes with Seeker because more RBA damage is always nice.

Note that Precision Throw allows the replacement of Brutal Scoundrel's STR damage with DEX, assuming you apply your SA on an RBA.

Choices made (through 16) Show


Race: Changeling
Class: Rogue, Rogue Weapon Talent, Brutal Scoundrel
Theme: Escaped Slave
Paragon Path: Arena Champion
Background: Entertainer, Windrise Ports (+2 Bluff)
Stat line: 10/11/18+2/12/13+2 initial, 11/12/24/13/19 present

Feats:
Feat 1: Precision Throw
Feat 2: Light Blade Expertise
Feat 4: Silvery Glow
Feat 6: Superior Will
Feat 8: Primal Sharpshooter (retrained into in paragon)
Feat 10: Daring Performer
Feat 11: Lasting Frost
Feat 12: Nimble Blade
Feat 14: Primal Eye
Feat 16: Sambrese Rake


At-will Attack Powers:
At-will 1: Deft Strike
At-will 1: Acrobatic Strike



Encounter Attack Powers:
Encounter 3: Darting Strike
Encounter 7: Snap Shot
Encounter 11: Taxing Strike
Encounter 13: Astonishing Wound

Daily Attack Powers:
Daily 5: Bloodbath
Daily 9: Knockout
Daily 15: Rogue's Recovery

Utility Powers:
Racial Utility: Changeling Disguise
Racial Utility: Changeling Trick
Theme Utility: Hidden Strike
Utility 2: Sneak in the Attack
Utility 6: Dirty Tricks
Utility 10: Swift Parry
Utility 12: Hidden Reserves
Utility 16: Leaping Dodge

Items:
Torc of Power Preservation +3
Shadowdance Armor +3
Frost Dagger +4
Dagger of Speed +2 (RARE)
Bracers of the Perfect Shot (Paragon)
Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (Paragon)
Gloves of Ice (Paragon)
Eagle Eye Goggles (Heroic)
Backlash Tattoo
Acrobat Boots



At level 16, when the build's trick comes online, you have 5 ways to trigger bluff checks (2 minor actions, 2 baked into standard action attacks, 1 free) and additional minor action attacks from Swift Shot and Weapon of Speed. Add in Darting Strike and you net 13 attacks in five rounds without AP expenditure or outside assistance, with five (no AP, must move) to seven (AP, convert move to attack) attacks in your nova round.


Interesting numbers (at 16) Show


Bluff modifier: +8 half-level, +5 trained, +4 CHA, +2 racial, +2 background, +3 Sambrese Rake for a total of 1d20+23 with the ability to reroll once. The hardest creature to trick that I was able to find in the MM that you might fight at this level was a level 20 elite who had passive insight of 32, which you still have a 76% chance of beating. Adding an item bonus to bluff might be useful, ideally Ioun's Revelation (level 3 alternative reward) or the Eye of Deception.


RBA attack modifier: +8 half-level +7 DEX +4 enh +3 prof +2 expertise +2 CA +1 Rogue Weapon Talent +1 nimble blade +1 item for a total of 1d20+29 vs. AC. Expect to never miss with RBAs.


RBA damage modifier: 1d4 +3d6 +7 DEX +7 DEX +7 DEX +5 vuln +4 enh +4 item +3 feat +3 shard +2 light blade expertise +2 gloves for a total of 57 average damage on a hit. (40.5 without Sneak Attack)


Non-RBA damage modifier: +7 DEX +5 vuln +4 enh +3 feat +3 shard +2 light blade expertise +2 gloves, for a total of Xd4+26. Yeah, the lack of +item to these bites, but there's not much to do about it, at least until you get the Ioun Stone of Agility in a couple levels.


This means your lumped damage on a non-nova turn should be roughly 85, or 55% SMHP. Not Kulkor, but not bad.


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1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2012 - 8:47PM #2
Jugulator007
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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LOL who knew "Hey your shoe is untied!" could work so many times?  How are the defenses?
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2012 - 8:57PM #3
Alraune
Date Joined: Feb 20, 2012
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At 16? 31/22/30/30.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 8:15AM #4
tobascodagama
Date Joined: Jul 16, 2010
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I really love this build. Combines the effectiveness of multi-attacking with a solid, flavourful trick, and I especially like that it works for ranged powers. This seems like it would be a good way to add some good damage to a Warlock, who as far as I know usually lack a way to make a lot of attacks on their own turn.

I've been poking at ranged Bards lately, so maybe if I get off my ass I'll work up a build that takes advantage of this and the Skald support around basic attacks.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 8:28AM #5
monkeygentleman
Date Joined: Feb 22, 2011
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This is very clever. You've clearly done a lot of research and it shows - I had no idea there were so many ways of making a feint in a single encounter, and getting 13 attacks in the first 5 rounds of combat without any daily, AP or relying on enemy actions is very nice indeed.

This is my favorite kind of optimization - taking a single interesting but frequently overlooked feature and expanding it until you get an entire build category out of it. I wonder what other base classes this could work well with?

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 8:58AM #6
RenZhe
Date Joined: Apr 3, 2011
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I've very much a fan of the build concept. You might want to refer to a conceptual predecessor, Saturday Night Sorceror for extra ideas.

That build is a bit out of date as far as power choices go, and uses the Bluff U2 as an extra bluff, which is a stretch, but hybriding Sorceror solves a lot of problems, not the least of which is adding the Arcane role, as well as a beefy dagger MBA loaded with another striker feature (since as a rogue, you'd be only doing SA once/turn). Between Sorc and Rogue, you can also be a master of free AND minor action attacks, such that you're completely loaded up with Standard, Minor, Free attacks for 3x attacks for the first 3 turns of combat or so.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 10:21AM #7
monkeygentleman
Date Joined: Feb 22, 2011
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I'm not sure about this particular combo:

Brutal Scoundrel: You gain a bonus to Sneak Attack damage. The bonus equals your Strength modifier.

Precision Throw: Whenever you make a ranged basic attack using a thrown weapon with which you have proficiency, you can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack roll and the damage roll.

I don't think Precision Throw changes the bonus damage from Brutal Scoundrel, just the damage roll. I think stat replacement in the damage roll includes what's built in to the attack, not every instance of STR in the bonus damage. Pretty sure. Might need to get a second opinion on that, at least.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 10:32AM #8
Alraune
Date Joined: Feb 20, 2012
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Sneak Attack damage is extra damage, and therefore a part of the damage roll.

A Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls that include Sneak Attack damage use Strength.

Precision Throw replaces Strength with Dexterity in Ranged Basic attacks.

The Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls for ranged basic attacks that include Sneak Attack damage use Dexterity instead of Strength if she takes Precision Throw.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 10:55AM #9
monkeygentleman
Date Joined: Feb 22, 2011
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So every instance of Strength in the damage roll would be replaced with Dexterity? Even if it came from half a dozen different sources? Seems... odd, to me. But I can see the argument, and concede it would work by RAW until I hear otherwise.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 11:05AM #10
furious_kender
Date Joined: Oct 25, 2007
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Feb 21, 2012 -- 10:32AM, Alraune wrote:

Sneak Attack damage is extra damage, and therefore a part of the damage roll.

A Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls that include Sneak Attack damage use Strength.

Precision Throw replaces Strength with Dexterity in Ranged Basic attacks.

The Brutal Scoundrel's damage rolls for ranged basic attacks that include Sneak Attack damage use Dexterity instead of Strength if she takes Precision Throw.




No.  Precision Throw does not state that it allows you to change bonus damage to dexterity, so it doesn't.  Precision Throw makes a heavy thrown weapon into a light thrown weapon for ranged basics.  It does nothing for light thrown weapons. 

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