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Flag Bethregor February 18, 2012 3:20 PM PST
Hi,

On our meetings there were several  quarrels. So my questions are:

1. Does bow and arrow enchantments stuck (I mean + for attack and damage rolls) ?

2. Does ritual casters with EMI can only make common items (are uncommon if they have recipies) or players are free-to-do (making uncommons only with gold) ?

3. While monsters have zone effects (like Necrotic Aura which does 10 damage), does those effects are stackable ? 

4. Some items have only "bonus" word in description while many other have "item bonus". Does those two word are similar ?

5. I know that some rules can be changed by DM but, if a player uses his power  after the battle (like Flying - Inquisitor), how long he can have all the benefits from it?

6. The situation was, that player was fighting with  pack of wolfs. He used mentioned before flying and shooting them with hand crossbow. Does the encounter ends when he kill all the wolfs/wolfs will hide or is it limited by time?

7.  Does ongoing damage stackable (the same type of damage) ?

Waiting for answers  
Flag mellored February 18, 2012 4:03 PM PST
1) No.
2) Only common.  But many DM's allow you to make uncommon as well.
3) Yes.
4) "item bonus" does not stack with another "item bonus".  "bonus" stacks.
5) "end of the encounter" = 5 minutes.  "end of your next turn" = 6 seconds.
6) Encounter is over when the danger is gone.
7) No. 
Flag Bethregor February 20, 2012 1:03 PM PST

Feb 18, 2012 -- 4:03PM, mellored wrote:

1) No.
2) Only common.  But many DM's allow you to make uncommon as well.
3) Yes.
4) "item bonus" does not stack with another "item bonus".  "bonus" stacks.
5) "end of the encounter" = 5 minutes.  "end of your next turn" = 6 seconds.
6) Encounter is over when the danger is gone.
7) No. 


Ok.. thanks for answers.

But I've got another one.

Me and my companions have went to Shadowfell. Well, my Dwarf Runepriest died there (totally) so DM told me to make another character who'll be introduced in some time. 

As we all know that in Shadowfell there are many creatures with "necrotic" keyword (auras, powers etc.).

I want to play Revenant Warlock (no, I'm not using your build  mellored ) and I've lost the "living creature" keyword - if may I say like that (Death's Blessing feat --> more role-play than "power-play"). It means I'm an undead.
When players uses their necrotic-keyword-powers than we make no damage to undead, half damage and maybe even heal them.

How it is with "undead" Revenant. I'm just a simple player or DM will need to think twice while using some necrotic powers on me?

Ow!!! I one more. Is Scout trully so lame? Only one at-will (1[W]) and Power Strike? Nothing more?

And the same thing about Executioner. Executioner is a "one-shot-character", after his mixed attack his useless.
Maybe I'm wrong? Could someone explain it?

How does the two melee weapon fighting works? While I have powers where is req. "2 weapons" it's ok. But what about OA? I'm making a basic attackwith one weapon or one attack for both weapons (damage rolls 1[W] + 1[W] for each hand when hit) or one atack for each hand?

In 3 and 3.5e it was obvious but in 4e I'm confused  

Regards 

Flag Salla February 20, 2012 1:26 PM PST

Feb 20, 2012 -- 1:03PM, Bethregor wrote:


When players uses their necrotic-keyword-powers than we make no damage to undead, half damage and maybe even heal them.

How it is with "undead" Revenant. I'm just a simple player or DM will need to think twice while using some necrotic powers on me?




The power will do whatever the power says it does.  Your status as being undead means nothing unless the power specifically says so.  Necrotic damage doesn't heal undead, nor are they immune to it (unless you have some feature that says otherwise). 


How does the two melee weapon fighting works? While I have powers where is req. "2 weapons" it's ok. But what about OA? I'm making a basic attackwith one weapon or one attack for both weapons (damage rolls 1[W] + 1[W] for each hand when hit) or one atack for each hand?




Unless a power says you're using both weapons, you aren't.  A Melee Basic Attack is an attack with one weapon.



Flag Bethregor February 20, 2012 2:28 PM PST
Thanks.

And what about those two issues ?

 

Feb 20, 2012 -- 1:03PM, Bethregor wrote:



Ow!!! I one more. Is Scout trully so lame? Only one at-will (1[W]) and Power Strike? Nothing more?

And the same thing about Executioner. Executioner is a "one-shot-character", after his mixed attack his useless.
Maybe I'm wrong? Could someone explain it?


Flag Salla February 20, 2012 2:43 PM PST
I don't know much about Essentials classes, so I'm not qualified to answer.  I think both of those classes have build handbooks in the Character Optimization forum, so you could go there, search for 'scout handbook' and 'executioner handbook' and the threads will discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the classes in minute detail.
Flag Mad_Jack February 20, 2012 6:31 PM PST

  Executioners and scouts aren't "one-shot" characters. Not using the original AEDU power structure doesn't make them "lame" and certainly not useless.  What you're forgetting about the scout and executioner are their striker mechanics...

 The executioner has Attack Finesse - they use Dex for their basic melee atacks and once per turn they add +D8 to their damage for an attack. 
 Rather than getting encounter powers which do greater damage in a once-per-encounter spike (and even then mba + assasin's strike = encounter power), executioners do slightly more damage overall on their at-will powers which balances out in the end. They also get more at-will powers than most other classes due to their guild training, which makes them more versatile.


 The scout gets both their own version of Attack Finesse (they use Dex for basic attacks) and Dual Attack - whenever they hit with a basic attack (which is all they ever use) they get to take a second attack with their offhand weapon. Their "one at-will" is basically the original ranger's Twin Strike with the qualification that they have to hit with the first attack.
Rather than additional attack at-wills, they get utility at-wills in the form of their Aspect of the Wild stances, many of which enhance their basic attacks.






 
Flag Samrin February 20, 2012 6:49 PM PST

Feb 20, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Mad_Jack wrote:


  Executioners and scouts aren't "one-shot" characters. Not using the original AEDU power structure doesn't make them "lame" and certainly not useless.  What you're forgetting about the scout and executioner are their striker mechanics...

 The executioner has Attack Finesse - they use Dex for their basic melee atacks and once per turn they add +D8 to their damage for an attack. 
 Rather than getting encounter powers which do greater damage in a once-per-encounter spike (and even then mba + assasin's strike = encounter power), executioners do slightly more damage overall on their at-will powers which balances out in the end. They also get more at-will powers than most other classes due to their guild training, which makes them more versatile.


 The scout gets both their own version of Attack Finesse (they use Dex for basic attacks) and Dual Attack - whenever they hit with a basic attack (which is all they ever use) they get to take a second attack with their offhand weapon. Their "one at-will" is basically the original ranger's Twin Strike with the qualification that they have to hit with the first attack.
Rather than additional attack at-wills, they get utility at-wills in the form of their Aspect of the Wild stances, many of which enhance their basic attacks.






 




Eh, I find them lame specifically for that reason (spamming basic attacks = snoozefest). They're not useless, though. No class in useless in 4e (except maybe the Binder).

Flag mellored February 21, 2012 6:34 AM PST

Feb 20, 2012 -- 6:49PM, Samrin wrote:

Eh, I find them lame specifically for that reason (spamming basic attacks = snoozefest). They're not useless, though. No class in useless in 4e (except maybe the Binder).


Swarm druids.

Binders are still playable.  Weak certainly, but playable.

Swarm druids will just die.  Doubly so if they actually attempt to do as they are built for, which is off tank.

Flag Bethregor March 10, 2012 7:23 AM PST
Hi,

It's me again

I've got another question.

How does the Darkvision work?
PC is seeing everything perfectly like on sunny day or everything is black & white ? Also, what's with it's range? I know there are several feats that are giving a darkvision with some range but how does it works with Assasins Paragon Feat (no range given) or Drows?

Thanks for answers  
Flag Plaguescarred March 10, 2012 8:25 AM PST
Darkvision simply let you see regardless of light. Since it doesn't say it is restricted to black & white only, colors are  still perceived as normal.

Unless noted otherwise, the range of any of your senses goes up to as far as your sight can reach. If a Radius number is given, than this sense extend up to the given Range only and must rely on normal sense beyond it.

RC 168 Darkvision: A creature that has Darkvision can see normally regardless of light. It ignores Concealment that is a result of dim light or darkness.
Flag Salla March 10, 2012 10:46 AM PST

Mar 10, 2012 -- 7:23AM, Bethregor wrote:

Hi,

It's me again

I've got another question.

How does the Darkvision work?
PC is seeing everything perfectly like on sunny day or everything is black & white ? Also, what's with it's range? I know there are several feats that are giving a darkvision with some range but how does it works with Assasins Paragon Feat (no range given) or Drows?

Thanks for answers  




You see in color, since nothing says otherwise.

If no range is given, then the range is 'as far as you can normally see'.

Flag Bethregor March 17, 2012 3:52 AM PDT
I've got another problem.

Let me explain.
I've got 12th lvl Haxblade. I want to give him a chainmail-class armor. While I'm putting on him "simple" chainmail +3 he have 33 AC, but when I'm giving him Braidmail Armor +3 he have 5 AC less.

Chainmail have Base +6 AC and Braidmail have +8 AC.

IMO this AC should be +2 AC higher.

Can someone explain this ? 
Flag MarkB March 17, 2012 4:36 AM PDT

Mar 17, 2012 -- 3:52AM, Bethregor wrote:

I've got another problem.

Let me explain.
I've got 12th lvl Haxblade. I want to give him a chainmail-class armor. While I'm putting on him "simple" chainmail +3 he have 33 AC, but when I'm giving him Braidmail Armor +3 he have 5 AC less.

Chainmail have Base +6 AC and Braidmail have +8 AC.

IMO this AC should be +2 AC higher.

Can someone explain this ? 



The Character Builder has, on occasion, had trouble calculating armour values for masterwork armours. I thought that issue had been fixed, but perhaps not.

Make sure there are no proficiency issues, but aside from that, trust your own AC calculations over those of the Character Builder. 

Flag Bethregor March 17, 2012 5:47 AM PDT
I truly don't understand it.

Base - 10
Half-level - 6
Feat (with Rod) - 1
Ability - 5
Chainmail - 6 / Braidmail - 8
Enhancement - 3

 Chainmail +3 - 29 AC / Braidmail +3 - 31

And character builder says:

Chainmail - 33 AC / Braidmail - 28 AC ;/ 
Flag LordOfWeasels March 17, 2012 10:27 AM PDT

Mar 17, 2012 -- 5:47AM, Bethregor wrote:

I truly don't understand it.

Base - 10
Half-level - 6
Feat (with Rod) - 1

Ability - 5


Chainmail - 6 / Braidmail - 8
Enhancement - 3

 Chainmail +3 - 29 AC / Braidmail +3 - 31

And character builder says:

Chainmail - 33 AC / Braidmail - 28 AC ;/ 




Emphasis mine:  Chainmail is heavy armor.  It does not let you add an Ability score.

If you have a Dex or Int of 20, you're probably better off in Hide than in Chain.

(If the builder is giving you your dex bonus while in Chain, that's a different problem.)

Flag RedSiegfried March 17, 2012 10:46 AM PDT
Chainmail +3 and Braidmail +3 are both 11-15 level armors so they should both grant a +8 armor bonus and a +3 enhancement bonus for a total of +11.  If you don't get the +5 due to your ability while wearing heavy armor then your AC should be 28 all the time whether you're wearing chain +3 or braidmail +3.

If the CB is telling you that equiping chainmail lets you get the +5 then something is buggy there.

Is there some game element that lets you get a DEX or INT bonus to AC while wearing chain that I'm not aware of?
Flag Bethregor March 17, 2012 3:43 PM PDT
OK.. I've realized that CB is giving me a +5 ability score ONLY with normal armors: chainmail, scale armor and plate armor.
Any other heavy armors don't do that (Forgemail, Wyrmscale, Layerde Plate Armor etc.).

As you said, there are two ways:

1. Something is buggy.
2. I have something that gives me ability score with chainmail, which I don't even know what it is.

So, should I trust CB and take chainmail to have 33 AC or braidmail to have 28 ??
Flag Newanda March 17, 2012 4:11 PM PDT
no, unless there is something you aren't telling us, you do not get the +5 ability modifier with any heavy armor.  If CB is giving it to you, that is a bug, and is wrong.  Your AC would be 28, not 33, no matter what CB prints out.

As others have said, with that high of a dex or int stat, you are probably better with Hide armor than chain, but that is your choice.
Flag Mad_Jack March 17, 2012 4:12 PM PDT

 The character builder is not a rules source - sometimes it's wrong. Add it up yourself and use your own calculations.

 There's almost certainly a bug in the character builder...

Flag LordOfWeasels March 18, 2012 6:16 AM PDT

Mar 17, 2012 -- 3:43PM, Bethregor wrote:

OK.. I've realized that CB is giving me a +5 ability score ONLY with normal armors: chainmail, scale armor and plate armor.
Any other heavy armors don't do that (Forgemail, Wyrmscale, Layerde Plate Armor etc.).

As you said, there are two ways:

1. Something is buggy.
2. I have something that gives me ability score with chainmail, which I don't even know what it is.

So, should I trust CB and take chainmail to have 33 AC or braidmail to have 28 ??




Most likely, something is buggy.  Export your character here and let us take a look?

Flag Bethregor April 22, 2012 2:22 PM PDT

Mar 18, 2012 -- 6:16AM, LordOfWeasels wrote:


Most likely, something is buggy.  Export your character here and let us take a look?




OK, it was a bug. Everything's fine now

I have a question about one magical item.

"Lifeblood Armor" - CB says it gives 10 TEMP HP each rest.
Does it means that this TEMP HP is cumulative and I'll get those hit points each short and extended rest (let's say there were 3 short restsand extended rest - so it gives 40 hp.)? Or is just once per day?
And if it's cumulative, does this means those hp I got last day are still available next day?

Flag LordOfWeasels April 22, 2012 2:35 PM PDT

Apr 22, 2012 -- 2:22PM, Bethregor wrote:

Mar 18, 2012 -- 6:16AM, LordOfWeasels wrote:


Most likely, something is buggy.  Export your character here and let us take a look?




OK, it was a bug. Everything's fine now

I have a question about one magical item.

"Lifeblood Armor" - CB says it gives 10 TEMP HP each rest.
Does it means that this TEMP HP is cumulative and I'll get those hit points each short and extended rest (let's say there were 3 short restsand extended rest - so it gives 40 hp.)? Or is just once per day?
And if it's cumulative, does this means those hp I got last day are still available next day?




Temporary hit points don't stack.  There are a very few sources of stacking temp HP, and all of them SAY they stack temp HP, meaning they are a specific exception to the explicit general rule that temporary HP do not stack.

However, your two options ("stacking, or only once a day") are both wrong.  You get 10 temp HP every time you rest.  Those temp HP don't stack because temp HP don't stack, but they also don't come only once a day because they don't SAY they come only once a day.

Each and every time you take a short or extended rest, you gain 5/10/15 temp HP (depending on the level of the armor).  Those THP obey all the normal rules for THP, because nothing says they DON'T follow the normal rules.

Flag Bethregor November 30, 2012 7:26 AM PST
Hi,

It's me again with another question.

I wouldl ike to now is there any special rules about making character unconscious by one hit? 

You know, hit in occiput, temple, solar plexus ?? It'll be a great thing for headhunters and assasins.  Then drag the victim somewhere, question him and other things that assasins do

Regards
Flag LordOfWeasels December 2, 2012 8:03 AM PST

Nov 30, 2012 -- 7:26AM, Bethregor wrote:

Hi,

It's me again with another question.

I wouldl ike to now is there any special rules about making character unconscious by one hit? 

You know, hit in occiput, temple, solar plexus ?? It'll be a great thing for headhunters and assasins.  Then drag the victim somewhere, question him and other things that assasins do

Regards




Against PCs and normal monsters:  You're looking for Coup De Grace, combined with choosing to leave the creature alive rather than kill it.

For minions:  You're looking for "any attack", combined with choosing to leave the creature alive rather than kill it.

Flag Bethregor December 3, 2012 2:37 AM PST
Ok. Thx.

Other one: While character falls unconscious, does all the buffs (stance, auras, polymorph etc.) are ending?

I've tried to find something in Rules Compendium but there's nothing in it. 
Flag thespaceinvader December 3, 2012 2:47 AM PST
On KOing in one hit: no, there are no general rules for this.  Specific powers (such as the Rogue's Knockout) do allow it.  And you can flavour hits however you want, so particularly with minions, that's how you can say you dealt with them, if you wish.

Unconsciousness ends many, but not all, things.  There's no general rule for what ends on unconsciousness - you'd need to look up the specific effects.

Stances end on unconsciousness.  Auras do also IIRC.  Polymorphs don't I don't think.
Flag Plaguescarred December 3, 2012 2:49 AM PST

Dec 3, 2012 -- 2:37AM, Bethregor wrote:

While character falls unconscious, does all the buffs (stance, auras, polymorph etc.) are ending?


No, unless noted otherwise. 

Stance and Aura do note otherwise for exemple, and mention they end immediately when you falls unconscious or dies.

Flag Bethregor January 26, 2013 1:10 PM PST
It's me again

I've got two another issues.

First:

Is there any chance to use powers through familiars?
I know that Sha'ir has efreetkin and other (encounter power) but I was wondering, does character could be using it's powers all the time?

Because I've found some funny build but it'll be useless without it.

Sha'ir + Ravenkin. Two familiars, one in active mode and second in passive. With that feat which you can see through familiars eyes you could make a "range combo" so instead of using powers in range 10, you could use them in of 20 (10 for spell range and 10 for sight range of a familiar).

And second issue:

Does powers need incantations? For example mages? Does they need to use words to fire a fireball?
I was wondering, because Executioner has an attack with garrote and foe cannot speak. So such character would be great against spell-type characters.
Flag Sea-Envy January 26, 2013 9:18 PM PST
You can only use powers through a familliar if it says you can.
Dragonlings and Sahir only familliars have it as encounter actions some specific powers from the Dragon magazine say they can.

You do not need to speak or wave your arms for powers unless the power says you must be able to speak or wave your arms.   
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