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Switch to Forum Live View Healing and Resurrection: Conjuration, or Necromancy?
1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 8:46AM #1
Kingreaper
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In early D&D, curing wounds was Necromancy: using your power over life and death.

More recently, it's been Conjuration: Conjuring up health from... the land of health.

Similarly, bringing people back from the dead is pretty much the definition of Necromancy.
But that too, has been conjuration: Conjuring up their soul from another plane.

If 5th edition brings back the 8 schools of magic, to which school do you think these effects should belong?
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:15AM #2
Lugnut171
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Feb 16, 2012 -- 8:46AM, Kingreaper wrote:

In early D&D, curing wounds was Necromancy: using your power over life and death.

More recently, it's been Conjuration: Conjuring up health from... the land of health.

Similarly, bringing people back from the dead is pretty much the definition of Necromancy.
But that too, has been conjuration: Conjuring up their soul from another plane.

If 5th edition brings back the 8 schools of magic, to which school do you think these effects should belong?





I don't think those two are really the problem, more like evocation and abjuration, most of the others are pretty specific.  On the other hand these two are really board, attacks and defense.  

Anyways on the subject of healing it could also fit in transmutation, changing an objects physical properties just to muddy the waters more. 

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:15AM #3
Narphantus
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Necromancy. 
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:21AM #4
AnthonyJ
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Healing is transmutation. Resurrection is necromancy.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:22AM #5
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I think the best explanation for healing as conjuration came from Ars Magica. Healing is defined as creating a better version of the body. As opposed to destruction which can only make something a worse example of itself. The necro- part of necromancy leads me to say it might be better left in conj but I could see it going to transmutation or if you stretch it far enough evocation.

I like the concept of schools of magic but I think the dogma of the original eight needs to be broken. I'm not sure whether fewer schools with a more vague set of domains a la MtG or a larger set of schools with more specificity would be better but the eight as they exist now seem to result in a great deal of shoehorning and unsatisfactory justifications.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:30AM #6
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Feb 16, 2012 -- 9:21AM, AnthonyJ wrote:

Healing is transmutation. Resurrection is necromancy.




I like that ruling myself. But both could be necromancy and I wouldn't mind.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:36AM #7
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I would be willing to go so far as to say that such strict yet varying opinions on where healing might fall is a strike against spell schools, at least the old idea of them.  As coff brings up, more focused specific schools or more vague broad schools are needed to make me "buy" into what is or is not damage, healing, illusions, defensive spells or what-have-you.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:48AM #8
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necromancy. But I'd change the school's name to something less evil and more neutral.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:58AM #9
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Necromancy for raising/ress, and if they bring back reverse spells like Inflict, I would argue that Necromancy still is a strong fit for Healing. The exception to this would be healing performs by a druid, I'd see that as conjuration, or perhaps transmutation (a la repair) as often druidic and primal healing is more of a repair and not a poof-it's-better.

Also dogmatically, Druids are not very fond of the breaking the natural order of things, accelerating your healing is fine but taking a deathly wound and making you at near perfect health (classic Heal) with the snap of a finger seems out of their league.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 10:01AM #10
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Actually, I'd sort of like to put healing, along with most buff person effects (currently sitting in the somewhat bloated transmutation school), into their own school. Both conjuration and transmutation are relatively broad schools that don't need the addition of healing, and while necromancy does work, there are plenty of themes which should only have one or the other.
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