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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 1:16AM
#91
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* 1 yard = 0.9144 meters
Yes, that's why it should be an approximation.
1 yard could be 1 meter, there, no problem.
All distances (and character heights) should be expressed in yards 
DISCLAIMER: I never played 4ed, so I may misunderstand some of the rules.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 6:55AM
#92
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I'm with the OP on this one, just put both systems up.
Your overland movement is X feet (Y meters) or Z Squares per round.
Your Height is x'x'' (y.yy meters).
Your lifespan is x years (gotch ya!)
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 10:19AM
#93
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+1 for abstract (squares or whatever)
even +1 for the Imperial System
-1 for metric.
I'd rather see/use abstract values and just rule-of-thumb encumberance values, height, weight, overland distance, etc. Then everyone can assign whatever value they want to things.
Barring that though, I vote for the system I understand and can visualize things in vs the one I pretty much have no real experience with.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 11:01AM
#94
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Jun 15, 2006
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I´m Spanish. Here we use metric system. (or it could be possible talking about spaces).
"Say me what you're showing off for, and I'll say you what you lack!" (Spanish saying)
Book 13 Anaclet 23
Confucius said: "The Superior Man is in harmony but does not follow the crowd. The inferior man follows the crowd, but is not in harmony"
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 11:33AM
#95
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Barring that though, I vote for the system I understand and can visualize things in vs the one I pretty much have no real experience with.
Most of the world has no experience of imperial, and does know metric. Why should your ignorance trump their knowledge?
And imperial isn't even internally consistent. "A pint's a pound the world around" isn't true - here in the UK, a pint of water weighs 1 lb 4 oz. (Man, I wish a pint of beer, or even soda, still cost a pound.)
Z.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 11:47AM
#96
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Dec 12, 2011
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What's wrong with squares then?
They're completely meaningless outside of tactical combat, they don't scale, they don't cover mass or volume, and people don't inherently think in terms of squares.
Feet don't scale to miles either, dude. You can say they do, but the fact of the matter is that most people pull out a calculator if you need to do any ft/mile conversions because 9,000 ft in miles is kinda not an off the cuff calculation (ignoring the people who don't have a firm grasp on what a foot is because they use a better system of measurement) so their 'scaling' is just as difficult to implement as square scaling (if you need to scale, 1 square ~= 5 ft/2 meters).
I guess you don't realze that I'm in the metric camp.
Volume = 1 square is a 5'x5'x5' volume of space when it matters (flying units), so we're good again
inherently think in terms of squares... uh... ... ...
*looks at battlegrid*
Ooooookaayyyyyyyy....
I'd have said it was their biggest strength that they were INTUITIVE, but what do I know?
Since you apparently think in squares... How many squares high is an average human? How many squares can an average human travel in a day? How many squares is it from Berlin to Paris? How many cubic squares (?!?) does a waterskin hold?
For some of us, there's more to D&D than just combat.
Playtest or get off the playtest boards.
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I want justice for the voice that can't be heard
Vindication for every suffering and hurt
Let retribution hold dominion over earth
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 3:31PM
#97
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On the one hand the metric system is logical and almost universal (excepting only America).
On the other hand Dungeons & Dragons is set in a fantastic version of the Middle Ages, so archaic measurements like the foot, yard, boodle, furlong, cubit, pint and three kinds of ounces add flavour for those of us from metric countries.
I vote that we keep the English measurements for the fun of them.
Member of Grognards for 4th Edition
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 7:44PM
#98
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Apr 16, 2009
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Heck with that, let's find out what units of measure were most common in Australia before the Europeans arrived, and use those... make it equally incomprehensible for everyone.
Or go abstract and use squares for distance/area/large volumes. Define a measure for smaller volumes, call it a tankard, as a fraction of a square that turns out to be somewhere near a quart or liter, but is never stated to be precisely equal to either. Define a unit of weight, call it a rock, that is the weight of a full tankard of water, it comes out to roughly 2 pounds or one kilogram but again is never stated to be precisely equal to either. For moderate distances, the pitch (a common official size for the fields used in athletic sports) is 50 squares and a furlong is 100 squares; for longer distances the league is 1500 squares (gotta have SOME mildly awkward conversions) and an ordinary adult human without specialized speed or endurance training can maintain a walking pace of one league an hour for hours.
(How many people in the world of potential D&D *players* even know how far a person can reasonably be expected to walk in six hours?)
"The world does not work the way you have been taught it does. We are not real as such; we exist within The Story. Unfortunately for you, you have inherited a condition from your mother known as Primary Protagonist Syndrome, which means The Story is interested in you. It will find you, and if you are not ready for the narrative strands it will throw at you..." - from Footloose
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1 year ago ::
Feb 23, 2012 - 8:27PM
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Dec 12, 2011
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On the other hand Dungeons & Dragons is set in a fantastic version of the Middle Ages, so archaic measurements like the foot, yard, boodle, furlong, cubit, pint and three kinds of ounces add flavour for those of us from metric countries.
If it were our characters that were using the measurements, I might find that convincing. However, it's the players that use all these measurements, not the characters.
Playtest or get off the playtest boards.
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I want justice for the voice that can't be heard
Vindication for every suffering and hurt
Let retribution hold dominion over earth
--Nemesis, VNV Nation
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1 year ago ::
Feb 24, 2012 - 12:59PM
#100
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Hippolyte + warrl = good stuff
my kitty avatar's Royale Lineage ---> http://static.neatorama.com/images/2009-09/original-keyboard-cats.jpg
new helpful bg/mmx refugee locale ---> http://www.ruleofcool.com/smf/index.php/topic,632.0.html
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