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1. People are people and there are all types. Constructive positive negative rude and so on

2. There are those that will never change their opinion on what is considered the true d&d Ed 

3. What we should all agree on is our love of the game And wanting to see it thrive

4.  All editions had pro and con to it.  That is why new editions were made. What happened is the rules got bigger in fact everything got bigger which led to more pro and con issueS and so the cycle continued. What failed was not trying to do what they are trying to do now. Mass player opinion on what worked and what did not.  If it was done, we might be at 2nd or 3rd edition instead of 5th

5.What I think needs to be done and not to be done. 
I am afraid that we will see a huge book with each chapter listing each edition as an option to choose. Thus a melting pot of rules e.g hit table choose table a b or c   Saves choose table a b or c etc. Although great for getting everything out there for people to choose from I see mass confusion in works on howI having it all work together. 
What I am hopeful for is basic rules and adding a chapter of additions that can be chosen by the gaming group. 
For me a simple physical attack method ac 20. Roll a d20 add bonuses equal or greater is a hit
Saves: based on 4th edition work and are simple. However I would limit the level bonus for every 5 levels 
Slide pulls push should only be an option to choose if wanted to be used by a group who might be using figures. It would be better like this. E.g declare a pull or push vrs target. modifier for your attack roll equal to size of creature for a 1hex pull or push. -1 small -2med -3Etc 
Othwise just keep it simPle with no rule and allow creativity for DM and players.
Movement in fourth is simple and can be used for both hex figures or no figure game play
Encumbrances for movement don't have any. Let the DM decide. 
Get rid of marks. Altogether. 
Allow fighters to wear any armor
Alignment in fourth was perfect and simple
Gods in fourth is a good sample but change the following bahumet is dragonborn god like Moradin and corellon for elves. Change raven queen to a better name. Get rid of Vecna as a god and back as a villain lich. Add a simple way for DM to create their own gods to add. Name symbol influence alignment brief summary 
Skills: either simple like fourth or none. Just tell the DM what you want to do and he gives you a modifier. I jump over the pit. Ok roll your dex -3. 
Weapons simple one die for damage. No change for creature size 
Need to change the powers. Leave it as feats or none at all or redo how powers are done. 






 

Feb 12, 2012 -- 6:17PM, Emerikol wrote:

It was only until 4e that financially WOTC took a hit.  So if we have the same success as we had going from 1e-->2e-->3e then WTOC will be very happy.   If 3e-->4e then they will not be.  I'm talking finances nothing else.

I don't think that statement is true. First of all, keep in mind that TSR went bankrupt during 2e. Second, it isn't a matter of relative revenue, it's raw numbers. Hasbro doesn't give a **** if 4e made more or less than 1e/2e/3e and they don't give a **** if 5e makes more or less than 1e/2e/3e/4e. What they care about is whether or not the D&D brand name hits their arbitrary dollar figure (which I don't believe 3e ever hit either, so they would not be happy even if 4e was the same success that 3e was, and if they owned Paizo we'd be seeing a new edition of Pathfinder instead).

Feb 12, 2012 -- 6:52PM, Kishri wrote:

Your second statement of what Hasbro cares about is pretty much spot on Imho.  And I agree with you that even the pinnacle of 3e sales is not enough to impress the shareholders, for they are spoiled by the $50 million+ per year sales of giant franchises like Transformers.  If D&d is to ever gain Transformers like sales, it needs an IP that has Transformers mass appeal to go with the game.

Yep. Unfortunately it doesn't help that every attempt at a D&D movie has been even a worse disaster than the Transformers or GI Joe movies. We have no action figure line to leverage. There are video games that are ok, but nothing to compare with the big moneymakers like WoW.

I just don't see Hasbro being satisfied even if D&D captures 99% of the RPG market.

True but what are the best ideas to make 5th work taki g the best of each edition