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1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 3:35PM #31
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Feb 11, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armisael wrote:



Doesn't that refer to...well, armor? Otherwise you get the Slo-Mo Jacket Montage, which is just nonsensical.




Actually, I suggest you time yourself getting dressed some day.  Don't be all in a rush, just get dressed like normal.

I bet you it will take 2-3 minutes, counting shoes, pants, shirt, undergarments, socks, etc.

Now imagine doing that without zippers or velcro.


5 minutes to remove cloth armor doesn't sound like a huge stretch to me.  Sure, it can be done faster, but 5 min is a fairly good benchmark.  Of course, 5 minutes for heavy armor is rather silly in the opposite direction, but you can't win them all.  

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 4:04PM #32
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 3:35PM, DragonsWrath wrote:

Feb 11, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armisael wrote:



Doesn't that refer to...well, armor? Otherwise you get the Slo-Mo Jacket Montage, which is just nonsensical.




Actually, I suggest you time yourself getting dressed some day.  Don't be all in a rush, just get dressed like normal.

I bet you it will take 2-3 minutes, counting shoes, pants, shirt, undergarments, socks, etc.

Now imagine doing that without zippers or velcro.


5 minutes to remove cloth armor doesn't sound like a huge stretch to me.  Sure, it can be done faster, but 5 min is a fairly good benchmark.  Of course, 5 minutes for heavy armor is rather silly in the opposite direction, but you can't win them all.  




The problem is that this kinda falls down when you realize shoes and co. are actually item slots. This is why it looked so absurd to me. If you assume Cloth Armor includes everything you wear except specific items that changes, of course.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 4:07PM #33
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 3:35PM, DragonsWrath wrote:

Feb 11, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armisael wrote:



Doesn't that refer to...well, armor? Otherwise you get the Slo-Mo Jacket Montage, which is just nonsensical.




Actually, I suggest you time yourself getting dressed some day.  Don't be all in a rush, just get dressed like normal.

I bet you it will take 2-3 minutes, counting shoes, pants, shirt, undergarments, socks, etc.

Now imagine doing that without zippers or velcro.


5 minutes to remove cloth armor doesn't sound like a huge stretch to me.  Sure, it can be done faster, but 5 min is a fairly good benchmark.  Of course, 5 minutes for heavy armor is rather silly in the opposite direction, but you can't win them all.  



Of course, this results in the absurdity of putting on Chain in 5 minutes, or Scale and Plate in anything under 15 minutes.

FWIW, I can go from my skivvies to full BDUs in 3 minutes, add a Flak Jacket and my gear and you get the full 5 (A Wizard would still have an Adventurer's Kit, and you can't just drop those Glass Orbs). A Flight Suit or Riot gear (or Cold Weather gear, for that matter) is going take longer, and not just because of everything not being in the same place, probably comparable to Hide and Chain. I haven't had the pleasure of trying on a space suit, but google reveals 15 minutes to put it on (yahoo answers says 2 hours, but that's absurd, maybe 2 hours to do the paperwork so you can put it on)

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 6:41PM #34
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 4:07PM, Zathris wrote:

Feb 12, 2012 -- 3:35PM, DragonsWrath wrote:

Feb 11, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armisael wrote:



Doesn't that refer to...well, armor? Otherwise you get the Slo-Mo Jacket Montage, which is just nonsensical.




Actually, I suggest you time yourself getting dressed some day.  Don't be all in a rush, just get dressed like normal.

I bet you it will take 2-3 minutes, counting shoes, pants, shirt, undergarments, socks, etc.

Now imagine doing that without zippers or velcro.


5 minutes to remove cloth armor doesn't sound like a huge stretch to me.  Sure, it can be done faster, but 5 min is a fairly good benchmark.  Of course, 5 minutes for heavy armor is rather silly in the opposite direction, but you can't win them all.  



Of course, this results in the absurdity of putting on Chain in 5 minutes, or Scale and Plate in anything under 15 minutes.

FWIW, I can go from my skivvies to full BDUs in 3 minutes, add a Flak Jacket and my gear and you get the full 5 (A Wizard would still have an Adventurer's Kit, and you can't just drop those Glass Orbs). A Flight Suit or Riot gear (or Cold Weather gear, for that matter) is going take longer, and not just because of everything not being in the same place, probably comparable to Hide and Chain. I haven't had the pleasure of trying on a space suit, but google reveals 15 minutes to put it on (yahoo answers says 2 hours, but that's absurd, maybe 2 hours to do the paperwork so you can put it on)




Depends what kind of space suit you're talking about - there are several.  If you mean the actual 'float around in the vacuum of space' sort of suit it is a few hours, and you require assistance to do it.  If its the thing they wear floating around in the shuttle yeah, thats pretty quick, 15 min or so.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 7:22PM #35
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One thing that needs to be said here: the Artificer was written before Essentials, when item daily powers were limited to 1/2/3 per day +1 per milestone.  Arcane Empowerment and Arcane Rejuvenation aren't meant to operate in a system were item daily powers aren't limited in this way.  This is less an issue of Robe of Useful Items being imbalanced as it is an issue of an O4e class that hasn't been updated to 4eE.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 14, 2012 - 12:54PM #36
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 6:41PM, zarzak wrote:

Feb 12, 2012 -- 4:07PM, Zathris wrote:

Feb 12, 2012 -- 3:35PM, DragonsWrath wrote:

Feb 11, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Armisael wrote:



Doesn't that refer to...well, armor? Otherwise you get the Slo-Mo Jacket Montage, which is just nonsensical.




Actually, I suggest you time yourself getting dressed some day.  Don't be all in a rush, just get dressed like normal.

I bet you it will take 2-3 minutes, counting shoes, pants, shirt, undergarments, socks, etc.

Now imagine doing that without zippers or velcro.


5 minutes to remove cloth armor doesn't sound like a huge stretch to me.  Sure, it can be done faster, but 5 min is a fairly good benchmark.  Of course, 5 minutes for heavy armor is rather silly in the opposite direction, but you can't win them all.  



Of course, this results in the absurdity of putting on Chain in 5 minutes, or Scale and Plate in anything under 15 minutes.

FWIW, I can go from my skivvies to full BDUs in 3 minutes, add a Flak Jacket and my gear and you get the full 5 (A Wizard would still have an Adventurer's Kit, and you can't just drop those Glass Orbs). A Flight Suit or Riot gear (or Cold Weather gear, for that matter) is going take longer, and not just because of everything not being in the same place, probably comparable to Hide and Chain. I haven't had the pleasure of trying on a space suit, but google reveals 15 minutes to put it on (yahoo answers says 2 hours, but that's absurd, maybe 2 hours to do the paperwork so you can put it on)




Depends what kind of space suit you're talking about - there are several.  If you mean the actual 'float around in the vacuum of space' sort of suit it is a few hours, and you require assistance to do it.  If its the thing they wear floating around in the shuttle yeah, thats pretty quick, 15 min or so.




... and spending all those Minor Actions on "something".

I just question whether you'd have an Encounter like this, last the whole 5 minutes.
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