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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 2:45AM
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If I recall the wording correctly, it's the presence of the implement keyword that allows you to use the Superior properties, so Hexblade attacks (the only current attacks which have both keywords) would use the superior properties if you made the with the ki focus.
But the Hexblade is a mess of poor writing that way.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 3:37AM
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If I recall the wording correctly, it's the presence of the implement keyword that allows you to use the Superior properties, so Hexblade attacks (the only current attacks which have both keywords) would use the superior properties if you made the with the ki focus.
But the Hexblade is a mess of poor writing that way.
"When you wear or hold your ki focus, you can add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of monk powers and monk paragon path powers that have the implement keyword. You can also add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of weapon attacks you make using a weapon with which you’re proficient."
That's in the description of the Ki Focus, found at the monk cass in Psionic Power.
So it seems that the Ki Focus is the only implement which can be applied to weapon attacks, or power, which have the "weapon keyword".
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 3:44AM
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If I recall the wording correctly, it's the presence of the implement keyword that allows you to use the Superior properties, so Hexblade attacks (the only current attacks which have both keywords) would use the superior properties if you made the with the ki focus.
But the Hexblade is a mess of poor writing that way.
"When you wear or hold your ki focus, you can add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of monk powers and monk paragon path powers that have the implement keyword. You can also add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of weapon attacks you make using a weapon with which you’re proficient."
That's in the description of the Ki Focus, found at the monk cass in Psionic Power.
So it seems that the Ki Focus is the only implement which can be applied to weapon attacks, or power, which have the "weapon keyword".
Superior Implements have specific wording in the PHB3 (195) that their properties only ever apply to implement powers, even if the implement can be used as a weapon.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 3:49AM
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That means only the enhancement bonus is applied even on weapon attacks, but not any other property, so the only reason to have a Ki Focus as an Assassin (Executioner) for example is to get an enhancement Bonus for the array of different weapons you carry, without spending too much gold.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 3:57AM
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Basically, yes.
Ki Focuses are very good if you are using multiple weapons, or if you are using weapons which cannot be enchanted.
You apply the magical properties of the ki focus to weapon attacks, but not the Superior properties. The enchantments work fine, but things like Transcendent, that cost you a feat to get, only work for attacks with the Implement keyword.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 6:50AM
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If I recall the wording correctly, it's the presence of the implement keyword that allows you to use the Superior properties, so Hexblade attacks (the only current attacks which have both keywords) would use the superior properties if you made the with the ki focus.
But the Hexblade is a mess of poor writing that way.
When you use a power associated with your pact weapon and the power has both the weapon and the implement keyword, you are considered to be wielding both your pact weapon and your implement for the purpose of feats and other game elements.
Hmmmm, Reach for a Hexblade could be fun...
This is CharOp. We not only assume block-of-tofu monsters, but also block-of-tofu DMs.
One reach cheese'd threatening reach Spiked Chain shuts down any non-teleporting quarterback.
You're already refluffing, what not refluff to something that doesn't suck?
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 6:52AM
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By that line of reasoning, you wouldn't gain any benefits of any superior ki foci when making weapon attacks...
This is in fact explicitly stated in both PHB3 and AV.
To gain the benefits of a superior implement, the attack must have the implement keyword.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 6:54AM
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Jun 17, 2010
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If I recall the wording correctly, it's the presence of the implement keyword that allows you to use the Superior properties, so Hexblade attacks (the only current attacks which have both keywords) would use the superior properties if you made the with the ki focus.
But the Hexblade is a mess of poor writing that way.
Or any other superior implement, and it is intended that you gain that function.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 7:02AM
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This only works for Hexblades because of the specific ruling given in their class bio surrounding this - their weapon takes on the properties of the implement being used, and their At-Wills and special Hexblade encounter powers have both the Weapon and Implement keywords.
The Transcendent buff (or any other superior implement buff, for that matter) never works on powers that do not have the Implement keyword.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 7:34AM
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Just to clarify:
Implement = weapon reach or superior ki focus reach, not both
Weapon = weapon reach only
Implement, Weapon = both weapon reach and superior ki focus reach
Is that correct?
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