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Jan 30, 2012 -- 11:44AM, GloriousDemon wrote:

So what stats do you think they'll decide on for Kobolds?  For Goblins?

I wouldn't be surprised if Dex was the base stat for both, but I never saw Goblins as terribly charismatic.  Or Kobolds being very durable for that matter. 

Kobolds: Dex, Con/Cha. Shifty changed to 1/encounter minor action shift equal to half speed.

Goblins: Dex, Wis/Cha. Goblin Tactics changed to a free action.

I'd assume that if they're including Goblins, they're also includign Hobgoblins and Bugbears. Which means we'd finally get Bugbears without oversized and with a better racial power!

My guess for flex stats:
Kobold: +2 Con; +2 Dex/Cha. I made Con the primary the primary because somehow they always struck me as hardy. Either way (Con or Dex primary) they make poor Dragon sorcerers, but with a Con primary make good Elementalists at least (fits better than Storm or Wild). They're ok at being Fighters but good as Rogues and Assassins, and also Warlocks (which kind of fits as well). I could also see an Int or Wis bonus for being crafty. shifty has to be changed unless it's still their only real defining mechanics. I think ShinQuickMan has it pretty accurate, though I could see it essentially becoming tumble.
Goblin: +2 Dex; +2 Wis/Cha. Same as some other people's guess here. It makes them good as Rogues, Assassins, Rangers ... things I picture the little hit-and-runners as being good at. goblin tactics is awful, and agreeing again with ShinQuickMan, it should be a free action.

If you put in other "monter" races, I see the following easily:
Hobgoblin: +2 Cha; +2 Str/Con. I see these guys as archetypal Warlords, and the Str helps with that. It's weird seeing everything get a Cha bonus, but every race introduced post-Essentials has had a Cha bonus in some way so it's not too out there. I can also see them with an Int bonus in there somewhere. hobgoblin resilience becomes a free action.
Bugbear: +2 Str; +2 Con/Dex. Brings back the ability to make them more of the "brute enforcers." predatory eye becomes a free action that triggers when you hit and have CA.
Gnolls: +2 Dex; +2 Str/Con OR +2 Con; +2 Dex/Cha. The first fits them more as a martial race, but the last opens up some of their more "warlocky" things they do. Pretty much everything else stays the same.
Orcs: +2 Str; +2 Con/Wis. I HATE THIS STAT LAYOUT but it's the only one I can really picture. It's boring and generically applied to "big brute races" like Goliath and Minotaurs but I couldn't think of something better. That said, they need serious mechanical love. They have terrible passives and their power needs to not be a Standard Action itself and require a weapon.
Duergar: +2 Con; +2 Wis/Cha. This differentiates them from Dwarves more and gives them Warlock goodness. Make their power scale better bonus-wise (+6/+9/+12)

Notably Blandelings, Githyanki and Bullywugs were not included because I really cannot see them fitting. Also Bladelings are supposedly getting a DDI write-up at somepoint. and Bullywugs are ... Bullywugs (ew).

Feb 1, 2012 -- 7:49AM, Incenjucar wrote:

Jan 30, 2012 -- 3:56PM, IxidorRS wrote:

Yes, please! Could also maybe play a Paladin, which is hillarious to me.

Kobold paladin of bahamut would be fantastic.

On it!

Feb 4, 2012 -- 6:01PM, Hippolyte wrote:

There is NO way one of these underground races should be charismatic. However they could have Intelligence or Wisdom to represent their shifty cunning and tricksy ways. Likewise Strength should be for the Orcs and Hobgoblins, but Constitution could be for Goblins in the sense that they are tough little survivors: the same way a husky is just a dog, but what a tough dog!

Orcs: S + C/W (for shamanic stuff)
Hobgoblins: S + C/D
Goblins: D + I/C
Kobolds: D + I/W

OK, a few flaws here.
1. Charisma is force of personality as well as "prettyness" and "social skills," so plenty could have it.
2. Some of these races, already have Cha bonuses, like the goblin and hobgoblin. And it makes sense for them too. Keep in mind, in your world they might all be brutes, but in worlds like Eberron they have a whole society.
3. Did you completely ignore the stat bonuses these races already have? Read the MM.