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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 7:22PM
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4e will be a unique gaming experience and as such be more valuable. if 5e just cleaned up 4e a bit, 4e would likely die. but since the new core is gridless combat, roll stats, no skills, racial penalties, avengers as themes, no cash to buy plate out of the box, etc, it doesnt resemble 4e at all. so even if you end up liking 5e, you can play 4th and have a completely different experience. or if you love 4e and dont like retro games, theres absolutely no incentive whatsoever to buy 5e. whichever way you look at it, all of the news on 5e so far has been inadvertently good for 4e. personally id love it if 5e had you roll your hp and had alignment restrictions; the more things like that the better.
That's actually a good point and I hadn't considered that.
I wonder if it's too much to hope that a 3pp will keep producing 4e content?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 8:15PM
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Don't worry, if the new edition does not suite your style and you wish to continue playing an earlier edition, you probably won't have to much trouble doing so. This happens every time a new edition comes out. When 3rd edition came out I knew players who refused to touch it because they did not like the idea of getting feats and alignment and class restictions disapering, so they just kept playing their old stuff. Then, those who first came into the game on 3.x ended up not liking 4th at all, and have moved to pathfinder or something else.
I would say, however, that you give 5e a good run though for a few sessions and see how it plays, no matter what people complain about on here or how it sounds. Consider this, I know alot of people who refused to try 4th ed because they did not like healing surges or fighters with "spells," refering to their daily attack powers. Yet, alot of them did not even give the game a good try with an open mind and so they don't really understand its real strengths and weaknesses (and I suspect that some people on here are critical of previous editions as often their complaints about those editions also don't seem to understand the rules that they are referencing). Imagen if some one said to you, when you first picked up a 4th ed DnD book at a store, "that game sucks because every one in it has instant heal and never dies." If you went with that you might not have tried the game. But you did, and I am sure you know that healing surges does not equate to unlimitaed healing or instant healing, and you have alot of fun with 4e.
So again, keep in mind most people on the forums are speculating about what 5e will really be like, and even when the rules are out, alot of people won't get it right, or give it a fair shake. Playtest it yourself and then if you and your group don't like it, you can stick with what you do like.
On a related side note, I did get to playtest it at DDXP and it was alot of fun. Unfortunanlty I can't say much more then that as I imagen WOTC does not want alot of people getting up in arms about a rules system that is 100 percent experemental and contengent to compleat change right now. But then again, I have fun playing any edition of DnD because the ultimate point of the game is to get together with your buddies and have a good time rather than having fits about how powers, feats, and THACO should work.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 8:41PM
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Likewise. I played it at DDXP and I think I still don't have enough inffo to ultimately pass judgement on it.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 9:32PM
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the mystery is killing me. how different will it really be? how different can it really be?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 9:57PM
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4e will be a unique gaming experience and as such be more valuable. if 5e just cleaned up 4e a bit, 4e would likely die. but since the new core is gridless combat, roll stats, no skills, racial penalties, avengers as themes, no cash to buy plate out of the box, etc, it doesnt resemble 4e at all. so even if you end up liking 5e, you can play 4th and have a completely different experience. or if you love 4e and dont like retro games, theres absolutely no incentive whatsoever to buy 5e. whichever way you look at it, all of the news on 5e so far has been inadvertently good for 4e. personally id love it if 5e had you roll your hp and had alignment restrictions; the more things like that the better.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 10:01PM
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 , frothsof.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 10:24PM
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honestly, im still learning the system. ... news of 5e reaches my ears...first thing im thinking is, now im going to be playing something obselete.
4e fans, how are you coping with this?...i guess i just dont like change.
It's not like you're set in your ways, you just had the rug pulled out from under you. Your learning curve has been doubled. It's just bad timing - random bad timing on your part, seriously dickish timing on WotC.
No new ed has been announced this soon after the beginning of the previous one. There are a lot of way to interpret that - utter failure, desperation, cynical profit-mongering, lack of direction, personal betrayal - some more rational than others, but none of them particularly flattering to WotC or it's fan base.
It looks like you're up for the challenge of sticking it out, though, so good luck, try to stay above the fray...
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1 year ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 10:44PM
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As someone who is currently running a Mage: The Ascension and a LUG Star Trek campaign while playing in a 2E Mutants & Masterminds and two 4E campaigns... my thinking is that 5E is going to save me a ton of money because once I complete my 4E collection (I'll be picking up 4E material right up to the end) I won't need to spend a dime on D&D until at least 6th Edition.
Based on what I've seen of 5E so far I fear that, in trying to create Heaven on Earth, the developers are going to end up dragging whole thing down into Hell instead.
The irony is that if 5E ends up being as cataclysmically unpopular as I fear it might... then Hasbro could easily kill 5E before it gets past its vestigal core and shelve the licence for a decade... making 4E the last fully supported version of D&D available to the general public for the next dozen years.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 10:48PM
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So, as more information comes out, one of my concerns is part of what was discussed during the DDXP about classes, and those being common, uncommon, rare, etc, and DMs being able to restrict classes etc.
First off, there's nothing that EVER stopped a DM from saying that he didn't allow X Class.
That being said, one of the GREATEST things for me, and mind you - I've been a very long-time 'world-builder' style DM that creates my story and graciously allows you to play in it, is that 4th Edition broke me away from the DM-centric play experience (that satisfies one player at the table) to being a Player-centric DM that strives to bring entertainment to everyone at the table.
4E just ended up braking so many 'grognard' sacred cows for me - restricted race/class lists, restricted magic items, DM-centric gaming, etc. that I developed from three decades of playing other versions (primarily AD&D and 2nd) that I'm not looking forward to going back to a system that openly promotes this style again. I know that there are no Wizards-police to show up to my house and force me to play the 5th Edition way, but this sort of focus tends to be self-fulfilling. I so much prefer 4E's approach to "If we print it, it's core".
D&D Next has some really big shoes to fill, as far as I'm concerned. I'm hopeful and looking forward to the testing, but I still have a lot of love for 4th.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 10:50PM
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I wonder if it's too much to hope that a 3pp will keep producing 4e content?
It is. The GSL is much more restrictive than the OGL, WotC can quash any 3pp 4e products or clones. There's not going to be any sort of Pathfinder eating away at 5e sales. Well, except Pathfinder, if 5e doesn't slavishly deliver everything the 3.5 hold-outs want (and want gone).
The irony is that if 5E ends up being as cataclysmically unpopular as I fear it might... then Hasbro could easily kill 5E before it gets past its vestigal core and shelve the licence for a decade... making 4E the last fully supported version of D&D available to the general public for the next dozen years.
Except it won't have ongoing support, leaving 3.5 (via Pathfinder thanks to the OGL) the only (indirectly) supported version of D&D.
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