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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 8:50PM
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I keep hearing this "3 pillars" talk. Now, I haven't really read up on it and would appreciate a link, but even so. When I first heard this concept, I wondered what a mystery-solving adventure was. It isn't social, exploration or combat. I'm worried that if there are only 3 pillars than every peg has to be hammered through one of those holes.
Here's the I see it. Characters interact with:
People
Things
Places
Themselves
Monsters (i.e. violence)
Does all of that fit within 3 pillars?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 9:29PM
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I would probably rename the second pillar 'discovery', but your average mystery involves a mix of 'find things' and 'talk to people'.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 28, 2012 - 5:55AM
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Quoting Wrecan (because I think he had this right): Combat, Exploration, Exposition, Interlude, Socialization, Travel. Combat is of course a pillar. Socialization is a pillar. Exploration is a pillar, and it is different from Travel in my opinion because of scope, atmosphere and situations the two entail are different. Exposition is a pillar, although it might look like a mix of socialization and exploration; but I usually have exposition-heavy campaigns while exploration is limited (we don't like dungeons) and socialization is only part of exposition. Interlude is a pillar, but it is also one that is usually ignored (and with a reason).
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1 year ago ::
Jan 28, 2012 - 8:39AM
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There are as many pillars as you feel like designing for.
1 pillar- chess. All combat. Very little rp support.
2 pillars - 4e. Either combat or skill challenges.
3 pillars- 5e exploration( skills?), combat (fighting?), social (diplomacy minigame?)
4 pillars- exploration, combat, social, estate planning/castle building?
5 pillars- your idea
6 pillars- wrecans idea
5e chose three, and hopefully it works. I honestly think dnd should really only have 2 or 3, and one of them has to be combat.
Having a pillar means the game should focus equally on that aspect.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 28, 2012 - 9:02AM
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I keep hearing this "3 pillars" talk. Now, I haven't really read up on it and would appreciate a link, but even so. When I first heard this concept, I wondered what a mystery-solving adventure was. It isn't social, exploration or combat. I'm worried that if there are only 3 pillars than every peg has to be hammered through one of those holes.
Here's the I see it. Characters interact with:
People
Things
Places
Themselves
Monsters (i.e. violence)
Does all of that fit within 3 pillars?
I'd say it does.
People - Socialization
Things - Exploration
Places - Exploration
Themselves - Socialization
Monsters - Combat
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1 year ago ::
Jan 28, 2012 - 9:44AM
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Solving a mystery requires investigation. Investigation is a synonym for exploration.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 6:04AM
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I've given this even more thought and come to a different conclusion. In 5E, are we going to see a set of mechanics for combat, a second set of mechanics of social and a third set of mechanics for exploration? If we see mechanics for combat (even if used out of combat) and mechanics for non-combat (even if used in combat) then there are 2 pillars no matter how you allocate the bits and bobs to one mechanic or the other.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 10:35AM
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See I don't like the idea of Role-playing as a pillar. I guess it would depend on what they mean by it as a pillar. I guess I don't see it being seperate from the other parts of the game, role-playing exists in both combat and exploration.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 10:54AM
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Nobody has said roleplaying is a pillar.
Mike Mearls' three pillars are: combat, socilaization, and exploration.
I agree with those three pillars, but also identified three other components of D&D: exposition, interludes, and travel. I wouldn't say these three are "pillars". They are merely supports. I do think they should be considered when exploring a system, however.
But roleplaying can happen during any of these six areas.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 29, 2012 - 12:10PM
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Nobody has said roleplaying is a pillar.
Mike Mearls' three pillars are: combat, socilaization, and exploration.
I agree with those three pillars, but also identified three other components of D&D: exposition, interludes, and travel. I wouldn't say these three are "pillars". They are merely supports. I do think they should be considered when exploring a system, however.
What is a pillar, other than a fancy support?
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