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Jan 31, 2012 -- 10:38AM, onecrazymojo wrote:

I like the color code and meme reference. I also had an interesting thought, although I don't know how much it really matters (especially when looking at kpr10). A lot of the top shelf-builds, with their expected kill rate of .7-.8 a round are actually doing better than that, in a way. In many cases their hit rate is very close to .8, meaning when they do hit, it is a dead standard. Of course, taking an average expected number of kills will get the same result in the end. I jst find it interesting that many of the builds are essentially binary (I hit=dead bad, I miss=no damage).

I will not get into binary distribution for calculating the probability that a build kills M monsters in N rounds, although it is more accurate than "expected number of dead monsters in M rounds."  I know how to do it with a simple makes 1 BA / round.  But many of these are 2+ attacks with needed move actions inbetween.  Yuck I say.

Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:41AM, ThatWasTotallyNinja wrote:

Jan 31, 2012 -- 9:23AM, borg285 wrote:

This candidate is incorrect due to using a pre-errata symbol of divine light.  ThatWasTotallyNinja please recalculate and I'll move you from incorrect to L30
4.07 Mean KPR Dancing Powerful Revenant (Half-Elf) Avenger , ThatWasTotallyNinja (RM,Rev.,1/2Elf,Twin)

Also please recalculate the non-uber cheese variant and I'll add that as another candidate.  It would help the build survive an errata.

As per ThatWasTotallyNinja's Mul build Please use a sheet like my borg sheet.  Also make sure you're not using daily powers(other than item powers that you plan on spamming).  If you're calculating a daily nova then that's fine.  Once you're done with your calculations please add whatever candidates you wish.  I could see 4 candidates based on your variations, but you can add rows for however many you feel you would like to submit for viewing.

I'm not sure what you mean about the SoDL? It's the only item bonus I had, I wasn't stacking it with anything.

I don't care too much to recalculate the Mul build for now (just because the first 4 rounds will all have to be calculated specially, and DPR will take a bit of a hit)...I'll probably get around to it some other time.

But I'm curious, are we outright banning the use of daily powers? Or are we banning the use of "powers you can't use every encounter"? Because if you look at it, I explained how I use Ancient Forebears' Rage 5 encounters/day (and it'd be pretty easy to do 7 instead with another RotRS, if that's what you wanted).

I was speeding through builds and saw the word "rage" and that was a red flag.  I'll add it.  As long as you can use it consistently that's all that matters.  Way to go on the builds.

as per SoDL, were you attacking with the symbol or with another weapon/implement.  Just making sure the build uses the most recent ruling on it.  As per the latest rules update

“The damage rolls of radiant powers you use
through this implement gain an item bonus equal to
the implement’s enhancement bonus against creatures
that have radiant vulnerability.”

As long as the build uses it in accordance with that ruling then I'm fine.  I need to re-read over your build to see if it was an implement based power.  I just saw melee weapons and thought it was a weapon power at the core.