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1 year ago  ::  Feb 22, 2012 - 4:00AM #31
Iluvrien
Date Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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The book looks very shiny indeed!

Feb 22, 2012 -- 12:42AM, Stigger wrote:

Good point... could be actually.  Never know with the Old Goat.




Well, he was other things before he was a Mage after all, or even before he was the Old part of "Old Goat" . If memory serves, didn't he start out as a rogue in Athalantar?

My approach to the NPCs of previous editions.
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I always saw the High Level NPCs as shepherds of the Realms not its defenders. Making sure that not too many sheep were lost as they milled around (as they are wont to do) and bringing on the young'uns into the job. In that way a shepherd never has time to go and hunt down all of the wolves but is pretty dashed effective at keeping them away from the sheep when they rear their heads.


"It was a puzzle why things were always dragged kicking and screaming. No one ever seemed to want to, for example, lead them gently by the hand." - Terry Pratchett
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 22, 2012 - 6:41AM #32
Lunarbeam
Date Joined: Feb 21, 2012
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Ah the Old goat is a roque at heart no matter how powerful he got as a Mage.  I am never found Elminister deaths to good for the Forgotten Realms for that setting. 


I am glad that Mystra (Midnight) is gone as goddess she never was Goddess material especially when it came to the Goddess of Magic.  I do believe that God of Magic is needed for the realms though.   Elminister will make an excellant god of magic no.  Embarassed  
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 22, 2012 - 12:13PM #33
DoctorBadWolf
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I think Elminster would make a good patron of Good mages, or something like that. But a God or Goddess of Magic should be neutral.

In a different setting I'd love an evil god/goddess of magic, tempting the souls of magic users, etc. But not in the Realms.

More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.



Mar 8, 2012 -- 1:58PM, Skeptical_Clown wrote:

  I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 23, 2012 - 4:30AM #34
Lunarbeam
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In the Dragonlance they do have three gods of magic based upon alignment of the mages.  In this setting I can see easily it more based upon the Weave and the Shadowweave.  Yep right the God of Magic needs to be neutral.  Mystra (Midnight) when I read her character interactions I don't think she act very neutral though. 
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 23, 2012 - 1:04PM #35
DoctorBadWolf
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That's only because Mystra wasn't neutral. :P

She should have been, but she wasn't. Elminster wouldn't be any more neutral than she was. An altruistic adventurer's god? Absolutely! But not the god of magic, please.

More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.



Mar 8, 2012 -- 1:58PM, Skeptical_Clown wrote:

  I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 23, 2012 - 4:03PM #36
Stigger
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All of them, Mystryl, Mystra, and Midnight have been neutral. Mystral was Chaotic Neutral, Mystra was Lawful Neutral, and Midnight was Neutral Good. A technicality, certainly, and a little pedantic, but I just thought I'd point it out...
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 23, 2012 - 4:25PM #37
DoctorBadWolf
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Feb 23, 2012 -- 4:03PM, Stigger wrote:

All of them, Mystryl, Mystra, and Midnight have been neutral. Mystral was Chaotic Neutral, Mystra was Lawful Neutral, and Midnight was Neutral Good. A technicality, certainly, and a little pedantic, but I just thought I'd point it out...




lol Semantics! :D The first two were fine, but Midnight need an alignment change. Maybe to true neutral. :P

More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.



Mar 8, 2012 -- 1:58PM, Skeptical_Clown wrote:

  I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 12:51AM #38
Stigger
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I always preferred Mystra myself... was more than a little annoyed by the ToT killing her off.  Probably why I tend to ignore the event entirely.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 7:56AM #39
Lunarbeam
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The next god of magic has to be true Neutral.  Having no ethos over good or evil.  That was the Mystra (Midnight) downfall outside of Shar and Cyric. LOL.
  
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 6:36PM #40
JudgeDookie
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Feb 23, 2012 -- 4:03PM, Stigger wrote:

All of them, Mystryl, Mystra, and Midnight have been neutral. Mystral was Chaotic Neutral, Mystra was Lawful Neutral, and Midnight was Neutral Good. A technicality, certainly, and a little pedantic, but I just thought I'd point it out...




Feb 23, 2012 -- 4:25PM, DoctorBadWolf wrote:


lol Semantics! :D The first two were fine, but Midnight need an alignment change. Maybe to true neutral. :P




Thus, we find the entrance of the Shadow Weave into FR lore. By its very existence, the need for a counter-balance was needed. Therefore, Midnight/Mystra was aligned as good.


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