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Hello,

I've been using a modified skill system to try to make skill less about just getting points and filling in the blank and instead about true character developement. I'll put my modified rules below, if you could please give me feedback or let me know if there are any balance issues. Thanks.

First, my system assumes that you can use any skill untrained, you essentially begin play with the "Jack of All Trades" Feat. From there, here it goes:

PRIMARY SKILLS
(Replaces "Skill Points and Skill Points per level" all classes receive a number of Primary skills that they normally would Skill Points per level that includes additional Primary skills due to higher intelligence.

The skills you select as primary skills "level up" faster than other skills. Each time you successfully use a Primary skill you have a 50% chance (minus -5% per 5 ranks gained) to a minimum of 25% to gain a skill rank. Failed Primary Skill attempts give you a 25% (-5% per 5 Ranks attained) to a minimum of 10% chance to gain a skill rank. If you make the check then you receive 1 Rank in the skill used. The GM will make this roll in secret (just in case you didn't want to know if they succeeded or failed).

SECONDARY SKILLS
All skills that are not Primary skills are Secondary skills. They level up slower than Primary skills. A successful use of a Secondary skill allows you a 25% (-5% per 5 ranks attained in the skill) to a minimum of 10% chance to gain a rank. Unsuccessful Secondary skill attempts have a 10% chance of gaining a rank up to Rank 5 then a 5% chance to gain further ranks thereafter. If you make the check then you receive 1 Rank in the skill used. The GM will make this roll in secret (just in case you didn't want to know if they succeeded or failed).

MAX RANK
Primary skills and Secondary skills both have a maximum rank equal to 3 + your level.

PRIMARY SKILLS AT 1ST LEVEL
All Primary skills (selected at 1st level) receive the maximum of 4 ranks when you begin play.

Anyways, that pretty much covers it. I've gotten some good feedback from my players, but they helped me develop it, so I wanted some outside suggestions. I know this rids the system of "Cross Class" skills, but it also makes those skills much harder to receive ranks in. This could also mean that you could supplement the Human's Skill bonus by simply giving them an additional Primary Skill slot. Anyways, thanks in advance for your feedback.

Actually, this sounds very much like the skill system out of the Elder Scrolls games (Skyrim, Oblivion, etc.).  It's definitely an interesting way to do the skill system, although it does create an issue with a couple skills that one could spam-practice during downtime.

I've never heard of this system being used in a D&D game though, sounds like a fun way to spice things up a little if the campaigns have gotten a little too cut-and-dry.

That's sort of what we were going for was an Elder Scroll's style skill leveling. As far as skill spaming...that's on the GM to allow it to happen or not. Personally, if I find people do that I just won't give them the rank. Or at least warn them then not give them the rank. But the mechanics look good overall? That's what I'm most worried about.  You could even have rules similar to GURPS where if you practice for so long that you eventually just gain a rank, say I want to practice Stealth for a week, ok you get 1 rank to Hide and Move Silently checks, but it couldn't be something they got daily.

Ah, alright.  That clarifies my issues then.  All in all, very interesting setup, and you've clearly thought out the potential balance problems as well.  I might have to try it out sometime.

Jan 22, 2012 -- 3:58PM, Rath_Robert wrote:

That's sort of what we were going for was an Elder Scroll's style skill leveling. As far as skill spaming...that's on the GM to allow it to happen or not. Personally, if I find people do that I just won't give them the rank. Or at least warn them then not give them the rank.

The games have developed a method of controlling it by only allowing the skills to advance in "genuine" situations.  For example, most spells must hit a valid target or they do nothing to practice the skill (in the case of summoning creatures, the creature actually has to fight opponents), and the same is true for weapon attacks.  Skills are somewhat similar, with lockpicking only being practiced on locks that the character has never picked before, and sneaking only being practiced when someone can potentially see them.  The effort there is really in deciding what constitutes a situation in which the character can gain genuine experience in the use of that skills as compared to just running drills.

Of course, in comparison to that is the various games' deliberate mechanic of buying training, which means that to properly practice a skill you need to invest money.  Although the games do not go into detail on what occurs during this training, we could easily imagine how it might be spent on the equipment required to properly simulate those genuine situations and the expertise of the trainer administering them.  For those who want to practice rather than experience the genuine risk of skill, they're basically trading gold for risks, which works equally well in computer games or tabletop ones (though in this case, since regular risks are a percentage chance you'd probably be buying extra rolls for a chance to increase the relevant skill, rather than automatically gaining a rank).

I suppose you could always institute rules on that as well...say you want to train in a skill, well the time it would take to practice a skill and gain a rank could depend on the number of ranks they already have, their Key ability, and possibly who is training them. I haven't thought about it that much. Anyone have any suggestions for this. You could always go the GURPS route and assign difficulties to each skill also, then depending on the skill difficulty, you would need to practice for a certain amount of time befor gaining a rank.