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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:32PM #11
Magnir
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As a fan of pathfinder who is hoping for another enjoyable game that I can get involved in with 5E I have to say that I'm put off by everyone telling me how much I suck for bashing 4E... when I don't.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:33PM #12
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Magnir wrote:

As a fan of pathfinder who is hoping for another enjoyable game that I can get involved in with 5E I have to say that I'm put off by everyone telling me how much I suck for bashing 4E... when I don't.



When you don't what?
Suck?
Or bash 4e?

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:34PM #13
Garthanos
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Magnir wrote:

As a fan of pathfinder who is hoping for another enjoyable game that I can get involved in with 5E I have to say that I'm put off by everyone telling me how much I suck for bashing 4E... when I don't.




If you arent bashin, then obviously it doesnt apply to you... now does it?

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:34PM #14
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Magnir wrote:

As a fan of pathfinder who is hoping for another enjoyable game that I can get involved in with 5E I have to say that I'm put off by everyone telling me how much I suck for bashing 4E... when I don't.




I havent seen you bash 4e Magnir and I as a 4e fan have never bashed 3/3.5/PF, but there are pleanty of fans of both that do bash the other.

I'm second from the left in the picture.


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:36PM #15
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:00PM, Bremc_Aus wrote:

*Whole bunch of well-presented awesome*




If only I were to have another child to name after you.  

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:36PM #16
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Magnir wrote:

As a fan of pathfinder who is hoping for another enjoyable game that I can get involved in with 5E I have to say that I'm put off by everyone telling me how much I suck for bashing 4E... when I don't.



I feel ya, man.  As a 4e fan, I get really tired of sweeping generalizations about 4e fans and being repeatedly told I'm not even playing a role-playing game.  That's the bitch with edition wars, though.  When mud is getting thrown everywhere, it hits you whether or not you were throwing it first.

Seriously, though, you should check out the PbP Haven.  You might also like Real Adventures, IF you're cool.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:36PM #17
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Well if the wizard isn't saying "im spent" and pulling out a crossbow after casting light so the rest of the party could see in the dungeon... its not the D&D I grew up with (and love). And I see similarities with 3e (feats like power attack) & 4e (marking, encounter powers) to several computer games (not just WOW), but heh Baldur's Gate was fantastic and that was 2e
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:37PM #18
Garthanos
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:00PM, Bremc_Aus wrote:


- Originally posted on Vorpal Thoughts. (external link)




Nice analysis with a dose of rant - I like it.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:41PM #19
Garthanos
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:36PM, MortonStromgal wrote:

Well if the wizard isn't saying "im spent" and pulling out a crossbow after casting light so the rest of the party could see in the dungeon... its not the D&D I grew up with (and love). And I see similarities with 3e (feats like power attack) & 4e (marking, encounter powers) to several computer games (not just WOW), but heh Baldur's Gate was fantastic and that was 2e




1e was pac-man... I mean run around a pointless maze collect the gold(for xp)  avoiding the monsters (cause fighting evil is stupid) level up so you can beat on a few of the monsters except its real easy to die so you end up rinse wash and repeat.

Improvisation in 4e: Improv. Attacks(by wrecan) - Fave 4E Improvisations

The Non-combatant Adventurer

Reality is unrealistic - and even monkeys protest unfairness

Dynamic Reflavoring : The Fighter : The Wizard : The Swordmage
Creative Character Collection - Featuring:The Faerie Master - Snow White - Joxer - Ironman - Elric - Bloodwright

By virtue of being a player your characters are the protagonists in a heroic fantasy game even at level one

"You have to explicitly give non-casters permission to do awesome, where as with magic it is just assumed they can." -Garthanos

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:47PM #20
Magnir
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:34PM, Garthanos wrote:

Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Magnir wrote:

As a fan of pathfinder who is hoping for another enjoyable game that I can get involved in with 5E I have to say that I'm put off by everyone telling me how much I suck for bashing 4E... when I don't.




If you arent bashin, then obviously it doesnt apply to you... now does it?


When the posts have sweeping generalizations about people who simply prefer to play the other systems (3.X or Pathfinder, specfically). Touting that I am unimaginative or afraid of change or incapable of critical thinking, etc., etc. ...

Then yeah, it does apply to me, doesn't it?

How about we just shelve the crap and talk about moving forward with a different game and an open mind?

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