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1 year ago ::
Jan 13, 2012 - 7:25PM
#171
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LEVEL
1-20
POWERS
GOOD
VANCIANT SYSTEM
BAD
CLASS ROLES
GOOD
MAGIC ITEMS HAS TO BE MECHANICALLY
NOT IMPORTANT
ABILITIES SCORES
GOOD
A LOT OF CLASSES
GOOD
A LOT OF RACES
GOOD
ABILITY SCORES FOR RACES
YES
FEATS (AND OTHER OPTIONS) THAT GIVES YOU STATIC +X BONUSES
BAD
HIT POINTS
GOOD
HEALING SURGES
GOOD
DEFENSES
AS AC
SKILL CHALLENGES
GOOD
SKILLS HAVE TO BE
IMPORTANT
NORMAL CHANCE TO HIT
MORE LIKE 75%
ALIGNMENT IS
FLUFF
SAVE OR DIE
BAD
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1 year ago ::
Jan 13, 2012 - 7:59PM
#172
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Date Joined:
Aug 20, 2007
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LEVEL
1-30
POWERS
GOOD
VANCIANT SYSTEM
BAD
CLASS ROLES
GOOD
MAGIC ITEMS HAS TO BE MECHANICALLY
IMPORTANT
ABILITIES SCORES
GOOD
A LOT OF CLASSES
BAD
A LOT OF RACES
GOOD
ABILITY SCORES FOR RACES
YES (Positive bonuses only, no penalty for race)
FEATS (AND OTHER OPTIONS) THAT GIVES YOU STATIC +X BONUSES
BAD
HIT POINTS
GOOD
HEALING SURGES
GOOD
DEFENSES
AS AC
SKILL CHALLENGES
GOOD
SKILLS HAVE TO BE
NOT IMPORTANT
NORMAL CHANCE TO HIT
50% AS NOW
ALIGNMENT IS
MECHANICAL
SAVE OR DIE
GOOD (if rare)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 13, 2012 - 8:03PM
#173
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Date Joined:
Jul 18, 2009
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- Magic items has to be mechanically
Not Important
- ability scores for races
Absolutely
- feats (and other options) that gives you static +x bonuses
No
- hit points
A must
-
- healing surges
No
- defenses
As both
- skill challenges
yes
- skills has to be
- Yes
- normal chance to hit
more like 75%
Alignment
Fluff Save or Die
Bad
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 4:03AM
#174
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Date Joined:
Oct 20, 2010
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For the record, while fun, I don't think this poll is all that useful for 5E since most of my answers (and I would assume the answers of many others) actually fall somewhere in between the options given or are more along the lines of "keep this, but change the presentation/execution." When I vote "good" for something, it doesn't necessarily mean I want to keep it as is, and when I vote "bad" for something, that doesn't necessarily mean I want to get rid of it altogether. I think it's more important to find out what changes and improvements can be made to a lot of these choices, and the compiled poll results won't really help with that.
i assume that at wizard of the coast they will spend a lot of time thinking and reading feedbacks (for 5th edition)
if they read this poll results and are: "95% yes" and "5% no" their reaction will be something like: "we are doing this right"
if results are "60% yes" and "40% no" they may think "ok, the idea it's not that bad, but we need to change something, let's investigate more"
Am I allowed to change a vote? After some deliberation, I'd like to say
FEATS (AND OTHER OPTIONS) THAT GIVES YOU STATIC +X BONUSES
are completely BAD
and LEVEL should be 1-20.
of course you are!
English is not my native language, i'll try to be clear
Where I don't give a clear answer (like for Feat question), feel free to not add me to the poll (or add a category, if many people agree with me)
Of course all my sentences are IMHO.
As general rule, i try to interpretate your ideas when you don't give me a precise answer, if i find an ambigue answer (like: "nice idea but wrong mechanic") i just skip that, as i said at the start of this post, wizard of the coast's teams will investigate i hope
also i read almost every answer, if i will find a third option that often reapeat itself, i will not proceed to add the third option, but i will update the first post including some of your general thinking (intruduce a little change in the poll may bring chaos in the thread)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 4:16AM
#175
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Lian87
There is one thing which is oddly missing. Multi-classing 3e or 4e system. I actually prefer 4e myself since 3e got out of hand and didn't add that much more diversity for all it's problems.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 4:27AM
#176
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Date Joined:
Aug 24, 2007
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Please make a little description what these choices mean and refer to, or post links - I have no idea what it stands for.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 4:54AM
#177
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Date Joined:
Oct 20, 2010
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Lian87
There is one thing which is oddly missing. Multi-classing 3e or 4e system. I actually prefer 4e myself since 3e got out of hand and didn't add that much more diversity for all it's problems.
i have omitted this on purpuse, because it's a very big deal, 3e multiclass was very unbalanced, 4e multiclass was very restricted, i think this question deserve is own topic
Please make a little description what these choices mean and refer to, or post links - I have no idea what it stands for.
Done in the first post spoiler
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 6:01AM
#178
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Date Joined:
Aug 23, 2007
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For what it is worth.
- Level
1-20, 21-30 Epic covered in a different book (ala BD&D Immortals, D&D3 epic level)
- powers
good
- vancian system
bad (but allow it for rituals)
- Class roles
good
- magic items has to be mechanically
not important
- abilities scores
good
- a lot of classes
focus on the core classes, use 1st ed as a guide.
- a lot of races
focus on the core races, use 1st ed as a guide
- ability scores for races
no preferences
- feats (and other options) that gives you static +x bonuses
I like them, but limit feat bloat
- hit points
very good
- healing surges
good, but still give clerics something to do
- defenses
Use 4e as your guide here
- skill challenges
good, but less reliance on them where role-playing should cover it.
- skills has to be
use 4e as your guide.
- normal chance to hit
at st level hitting should be at 50-75% to MISS.
- Alignment is
Fluff, but useful fluff
- Save or Die
prefer not. I have games on my shelves now that can do that.
I do not envy the tasks of the designers here.
Here is my advice as one game designer to another.
There is only game 5th Edition D&D should be like and that is 5th Edition D&D (that is not a typo).
Tim
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 7:35AM
#179
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Date Joined:
Apr 11, 2009
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Level
1-30
Powers
very good
Vancian system
very bad
Class roles
good Magic items has to be mechanically required
I liked that the system accounted for them in the math, which helped me as a DM know what to expect out of the party. I can see that having to upgrade every 5 levels was a bit painful.
Abilities scores
Good – I’d prefer every change in the score matters instead of every other one
a lot of classes
very good
a lot of races
very good
ability scores for races
good
feats (and other options) that gives you static +x bonuses
bad
hit points
good
healing surges
very good
defenses
as AC
skill challenges
good
skills has to be
important
normal chance to hit
50% as now
Alignment Is
fluff
Save or Die
bad
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1 year ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 9:30AM
#180
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2011
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LEVEL
1-30
POWERS
GOOD
VANCIANT SYSTEM
BAD
CLASS ROLES
BAD
MAGIC ITEMS HAS TO BE MECHANICALLY
NOT IMPORTANT
ABILITIES SCORES
GOOD
A LOT OF CLASSES
BAD
A LOT OF RACES
GOOD
ABILITY SCORES FOR RACES
YES
FEATS (AND OTHER OPTIONS) THAT GIVES YOU STATIC +X BONUSES
BAD
HIT POINTS
GOOD
HEALING SURGES
BAD
DEFENSES
AS DAMAGE RESISTANCE
SKILL CHALLENGES (4e)
BAD
SKILLS HAVE TO BE
IMPORTANT
NORMAL CHANCE TO HIT
MORE LIKE 75%
ALIGNMENT IS
MECHANICAL
SAVE OR DIE
BAD
Bear in mind most people on this forum are 4e players so there will some statistical skew here towards current 4e players.
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