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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:06AM #71
Scottevil912
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4e was the greatest success for me as a DM - I know others who feel the same way, and plenty who feel opposite. 

No matter what 5e turns out to be, 4e will ALWAYS be there for me - sure I might lose online tools and nothing official will be published anymore.  But Pen and Paper games are not MMORPGs - I am not forced to play with the newest "patch" if I don't want to.  I don't lose everything I invested into the game because a server is taken down like I do with an MMORPG.

I still play games like Fallout 3 and Baldur's gate 2, years after their release and years after the company that made them moved onto bigger and better projects.  Why?  Because there is an awesome community of players out there who make mods for these games years after they have become "obsolete". 

We as players can always make the determination that, no, we will not move forward and instead continue to play the game that we have enjoyed - be it 4e, 3.5, 1st, or whatever.

It's probably a bad thing to rely too heavily on the company anyways, we really should look to each other (and ourselves) to help keep these games alive. 

So don't doom and gloom that the edition is "dead", that you need to reinvest completely in a new edition - you don't have to, if you don't want to. 
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:06AM #72
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I'll definitely give the playtest a go, but given the direction of the L&L  columns WoTC probably isn't getting a penny from me once 5e starts.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:11AM #73
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Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:06AM, Janx_14 wrote:

I'll definitely give the playtest a go, but given the direction of the L&L  columns WoTC probably isn't getting a penny from me once 5e starts.




NODs the preview those provide are very like if you like 4e ... dont apply for 5e cause it will suck to high heaven in your eyes.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:12AM #74
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OTOH it is entirely possbile they will instantly get 10x the readers for the mags when they switch over to 5e. I used to love picking up a dragon magazine but have not done so in years since I knew nothing would be relevant to me. 20 years later and i still remember with fondness some of the cartoons like the dragons munching on some knights commenting they have a hard shell but are good eating on the inside.

I have very high hopes for 5E now. I always regarded the brand with fond nostlagia and was fairly upset we went through a messy divorce.

My primary desire for the new edition is a magic system far closer to magic the card game or ars magic then what we had before. Before we had very generalist magic users and that causes problems all over since they can do anything. I want very specific magic users.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:19AM #75
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Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:11AM, Garthanos wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:06AM, Janx_14 wrote:

I'll definitely give the playtest a go, but given the direction of the L&L  columns WoTC probably isn't getting a penny from me once 5e starts.




NODs the preview those provide are very like if you like 4e ... dont apply for 5e cause it will suck to high heaven in your eyes.




I may seem very negative and gronardy some times, but I do usually want to give something a go before I dislike it.  I have been pleasantly surprised going into something expecting to hate it, but coming out loving it (heroes of the feywild).

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:20AM #76
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Jan 9, 2012 -- 8:49AM, Qmark wrote:

Just decouple mechanics from fluff.  Flavor can always be painted on later.




Thats "largely" a feature of 4e.

How about decouple capabilities in combat and out of combat

That might be they almost did but missed on follow through.

Improvisation in 4e: Improv. Attacks(by wrecan) - Fave 4E Improvisations

The Non-combatant Adventurer

Reality is unrealistic - and even monkeys protest unfairness

Dynamic Reflavoring : The Fighter : The Wizard : The Swordmage
Creative Character Collection - Featuring:The Faerie Master - Snow White - Joxer - Ironman - Elric - Bloodwright

By virtue of being a player your characters are the protagonists in a heroic fantasy game even at level one

"You have to explicitly give non-casters permission to do awesome, where as with magic it is just assumed they can." -Garthanos

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:23AM #77
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Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:19AM, Janx_14 wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:11AM, Garthanos wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:06AM, Janx_14 wrote:

I'll definitely give the playtest a go, but given the direction of the L&L  columns WoTC probably isn't getting a penny from me once 5e starts.




NODs the preview those provide are very like if you like 4e ... dont apply for 5e cause it will suck to high heaven in your eyes.




I may seem very negative and gronardy some times, but I do usually want to give something a go before I dislike it.  I have been pleasantly surprised going into something expecting to hate it, but coming out loving it (heroes of the feywild).




Heros of the Feywild is positively great.... wasnt expecting to see anything since essentials came out.

And since 4e totally changed my attitude about D&D and so many of its game features I will say never say never on what might be in 5e. The optimism is riding low never the less.

Improvisation in 4e: Improv. Attacks(by wrecan) - Fave 4E Improvisations

The Non-combatant Adventurer

Reality is unrealistic - and even monkeys protest unfairness

Dynamic Reflavoring : The Fighter : The Wizard : The Swordmage
Creative Character Collection - Featuring:The Faerie Master - Snow White - Joxer - Ironman - Elric - Bloodwright

By virtue of being a player your characters are the protagonists in a heroic fantasy game even at level one

"You have to explicitly give non-casters permission to do awesome, where as with magic it is just assumed they can." -Garthanos

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:30AM #78
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I see it as a new game system to try out and see if I like it.  If I don't I'll stick with 4th, if I do well someone on Ebay can buy my old 4th ed books.  Truth be told I don't care if new stuff isn't coming out, since there will always be people making stuff.  That is why a OGL isn't necessery you can find stuff for 1st ed that people made recently on the internet.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:33AM #79
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I'm looking forward to playtesting this new edition...  Although, I am a little put off by how short 4e's lifespan was...
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 09, 2012 - 9:46AM #80
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Jan 9, 2012 -- 9:33AM, RgAgsThMch wrote:

I'm looking forward to playtesting this new edition...  Although, I am a little put off by how short 4e's lifespan was...




IF 4e lasts until 2014, it will have had at least a 5-6 year run.  3.5 had a 5 year run 2003-08, with 3.0 it totaled to 8 years.

4e hassnt had a short run in comparison to 3.5 

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