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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 8:52AM
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My group only converted to 4e a bit more then a year ago and we like it. We'll probably end up playing 5e in 2016-2017.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 8:54AM
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And now we do. Seriously, man, I defend you often enough to tell you to quit being so negative.
You're seriously whining that they did a simultaneous announcement across a wide variety of platforms including the new york times?
It's a pretty damn wide announcement, man.
im a little po'd that they are killing 4th edition. ill work on the attitude but what can i say i am not really happy with the way they are killing 4th
I wouldn't go as far as saying that. WotC representatives are not going to come barging into your house and stealing all your books. Remember, WotC only kills sacred cows, not game editions. ;-)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 8:55AM
#63
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1. The OGL was a travesty. I hope they don't bring it back, and I don't think they will. 2. The biggest problem I see with modularity is that it isn't just about rules, it's about aesthetics. Different editions of D&D had different aesthetics, and of you look at 1E and 2E the aesthetics set them apart more than anything. As little faith as I have in a modular system being able to appeal to conflicting tastes, it's the aesthetic aspect I expect them to royally fail at.
Now this post is one of the big reasons trying to listen to everybody might be a big problem. Because a few posts ago I was basically begging them to give the new edition an OGL equivalent, and now we have a poster who just goes "TRAVESTY" and that's it (and I thought I'm opinionated).
Ironically, the solution to many "unsolvable differences" would be an OGL equivalent - the freedom for everyone to create his/her own game. You don't like the grappling rules which pretty much need their own handbook? Here, you have this variant book that gives you the simplification the game had in 4E! The GSL, as it stands now, is saying "nope, you have to play the game as we say it, or shut up".
Check out my D&D-based play-by-post game, based on exploration and roleplaying. Agora
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 8:55AM
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Just decouple mechanics from fluff. Flavor can always be painted on later.
If only.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 8:56AM
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1. The OGL was a travesty. I hope they don't bring it back, and I don't think they will.
Pretty imprecise language when you seem to be trying to level a specific charge. What Ryan Dancey realized back then, and some people still can't grasp is that an OGL SRD will exist whether you release one or not. It will exist in the form of pirated scanned PDFs of the print books. You might as well have the open license and SRD out there officially. This is especially true when you are actually releasing beta versions of the rules for play-test. I'd say a new OGL is almost a certainty. The way D&D is going to make money going forward is through value in a robust online digital offering.
Kalex the Omen Dungeonmaster Extraordinaire Concerning Player Rules Bias
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Gaining victory through rules bias is a hollow victory and they know it.
The argument goes, that some idiot at the table might claim that because there is a "default" that is the only true way to play D&D. An idiotic misconception that should be quite easy to disprove just by reading the rules, coming to these forums, or sending a quick note off to Customer Support and sharing the inevitable response with the group. BTW, I'm not just talking about Next when I say this. Of course, D&D has always been this way since at least the late 70's when I began playing.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 8:56AM
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And now we do. Seriously, man, I defend you often enough to tell you to quit being so negative.
You're seriously whining that they did a simultaneous announcement across a wide variety of platforms including the new york times?
It's a pretty damn wide announcement, man.
im a little po'd that they are killing 4th edition. ill work on the attitude but what can i say i am not really happy with the way they are killing 4th
I wouldn't go as far as saying that. WotC representatives are not going to come barging into your house and stealing all your books. Remember, WotC only kills sacred cows, not game editions. ;-)
yeah youre talkig to someone who still plays 1e. it sucks there wont be future products and the mags will be all 5e. so yeah it sucks they are killing 4th
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 9:01AM
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I've made a post in the VT Beta forums indicating my strong interest in fully utilizing this community and the VT in getting some damn fine testing work done.
We, collectively, have something significant to add to this process. And the VT is the best way for us all to do it.
edit: 8am isn't that early...
sad to say i wont be aiding in that process. i am not interested in purchasing or playing 5e
but you have no qualms about thread crapping about something you'll neither buy or play ever.
 Never Point a loaded party at a plot you are not willing to shoot. Arcane Rhetoric. My Blog.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 9:03AM
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I'm on the delivery truck today, posting on my phone. I could write 1000 words on why I think the OGL is a travesty, but I'm too busy to really even be posting this.
As for aesthetics, the only way you make them modular is to make them completely generic at the core, and generic sucks.
...whatever
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 9:04AM
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i would like someone from wizards to tell us as soon as possible what will happen to 4th. specifically will the tools still be up, will it be supported in the mags or on the website at all after 5th comes out
if you care about your current customers you will answer this asap
That is a good question that clearly needs an answer.
Beyond that, I'm not enthused. You guys have spent FAR too much time thrashing on rules systems over the last 8 years and far too little doing good content development for what you have. Look at your competition. It isn't twiddling with new rules systems that will bring success. Good writers, good stories, that's what works. If you think 4e's issue has to do with the rules system I think you've badly missed the boat.
A thousand times this. Good rules alone do not a good game make. Get some decent adventure writers. Have adventures with a story, not just a bunch of mini skirmishes. I play pathfinder modules with 4e rules.. you can do old school type adventures in the new system, you just need to write them!
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 9:04AM
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And now we do. Seriously, man, I defend you often enough to tell you to quit being so negative.
You're seriously whining that they did a simultaneous announcement across a wide variety of platforms including the new york times?
It's a pretty damn wide announcement, man.
im a little po'd that they are killing 4th edition. ill work on the attitude but what can i say i am not really happy with the way they are killing 4th
I wouldn't go as far as saying that. WotC representatives are not going to come barging into your house and stealing all your books. Remember, WotC only kills sacred cows, not game editions. ;-)
yeah youre talkig to someone who still plays 1e. it sucks there wont be future products and the mags will be all 5e. so yeah it sucks they are killing 4th
I know what you mean, I play AD&D on Sundays as well as 4e once a week. Can't say I read the magazine articles or actually most of the books of this edition (I fully read PHB, Player's Strategy Guide, DMG, Ebberon's Player Handbook, Eberron Campaign Setting, The Planes Above, The Planes Below), although my DM is a collector and we have nearly every book. As for previous edition support, well, that's to be seen.
EDIT: Now that D&D has a digital presence, support would be easier.
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