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Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:42AM, WotC_Trevor wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:32AM, Scottevil912 wrote:

My concern is that with the L&L articles have not really had much player feedback as would really be required to really get the voice of the customer.

The order of events has been:

1. Post L&L article w/ Poll.
2. Posters respond to poll and discuss on forum.
3. Collect data on poll (and hopefully from discussion)
4. Post next L&L article with no real discussion on the previous one.

What I need to see to know that our voices are really being heard is when new articles come out - call out a poster that comes across like "Scottevil912 writes - 'we need to have our voices heard' and follow that with some additional discussion by the writer.

Part of the problem here is that Mike and Monte couldn't talk explicitly about all the things going on behind the curtain - so I th ink that's alleviated at this point. Also, we're planning at this point to have more two-way communication going forward. I don't have all the details yet - maybe L&L is the place for that increased communication, or maybe it's elsewhere, but it is something we'll be doing. All I can do is promise that we'll do our best to show you that your feedback matters once the ball gets rolling.

Thank you Trevor, one of my concerns going in this morning was if character builder (in whatever iteration) would be available. A good way of saying "you can play whatever DnD you want" is to continue digital support (at least in that format) of 4e alongside 5e without creating new content.

Now, on to 5e discussion.

@Trevor - One of my main concerns is that what we are hearing from WotC is this is supposed to be the Ultimate Edition that breaks down edition boundaries and allows everyone to play the DnD they want to play. An edition for every fan of DnD ever.

This concerns me, not because I don't see it as a noble goal or a good idea to make DnD as appealing to everyone possible, but simply because you cannot please all of the people all of the time. Some of them all of time? Sure. All of them some of the time? Yeah! But all of them?

*shakes head*

And in attempting to do so, I worry about what this new edition will look like. A gibbering mouther sprouting limbs and appendages from a wide variety of creatures while still being unwholesome and monstrous (and really, not much fun at parties).

This is not to say that I don't look forward to being wrong in this instance. I would love to be wrong. I want to be wrong. I want 5e to be awesome. I want it to make me tremble in awe as to its tight rules and mighty balance.

Please, 5e design team, make me wrong.

Thank you.

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:42AM, WotC_Trevor wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:32AM, Scottevil912 wrote:

My concern is that with the L&L articles have not really had much player feedback as would really be required to really get the voice of the customer.

The order of events has been:

1. Post L&L article w/ Poll.
2. Posters respond to poll and discuss on forum.
3. Collect data on poll (and hopefully from discussion)
4. Post next L&L article with no real discussion on the previous one.

What I need to see to know that our voices are really being heard is when new articles come out - call out a poster that comes across like "Scottevil912 writes - 'we need to have our voices heard' and follow that with some additional discussion by the writer.

Part of the problem here is that Mike and Monte couldn't talk explicitly about all the things going on behind the curtain - so I th ink that's alleviated at this point. Also, we're planning at this point to have more two-way communication going forward. I don't have all the details yet - maybe L&L is the place for that increased communication, or maybe it's elsewhere, but it is something we'll be doing. All I can do is promise that we'll do our best to show you that your feedback matters once the ball gets rolling.

Thank you.

I'm really not trying to be negative, I really am trying to be supportive because I do love D&D and I love 4e despite it's flaws and I want to make sure that if a new edition is going to be released that I do everything I can to make it the D&D that I, and others, would enjoy playing.

It's just a bit discouraging when a L&L article is posted and then you see the people on the forum just tear into each other (and the author of the article) for an entire week, just for the next L&L article to be released and no real acknowledgement of what was said by anyone the week before other than some poll results. 

Going to keep my fingers crossed that this is going to be a successful playtest, and I will keep providing my feedback both on the changes to 5e, as well as feedback on the playtest process (using my experience as a project SME and process modeler/analyst on various IT & Business projects)

Jan 9, 2012 -- 8:01AM, Mand12 wrote:

I've made a post in the VT Beta forums indicating my strong interest in fully utilizing this community and the VT in getting some damn fine testing work done.

We, collectively, have something significant to add to this process.  And the VT is the best way for us all to do it.


edit:  8am isn't that early...

sad to say i wont be aiding in that process. i am not interested in purchasing or playing 5e