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1 year ago  ::  Jan 03, 2012 - 10:28AM #1
Daiyang
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Date Joined: Jun 16, 2010
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hey guys.,
i wona ask if the rogue's feat "versatile duelist" apllies to paragon powers also?
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 03, 2012 - 11:59AM #2
Tichrimo
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The feat specifies rogue power, so it's strictly limited to rogue class powers only (i.e. not paragon path powers, not basic attacks).
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 03, 2012 - 12:07PM #3
logopolis
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I never noticed before, but the wording of the feat is a bit strange:

"You gain proficiency with all one-handed, military heavy blades. If a rogue power requires you to wield a light blade, you can use that power with a one-handed heavy blade and can also deal your Sneak Attack damage while using a one-handed heavy blade with that power."

The way it's worded (with one "if" condition, and referring to "that" power twice in the second sentence), it sounds like:

1. You gain proficiency with all one-handed, military heavy blades.
2. If a rogue power requires you to wield a light blade, you can use that power with a one-handed heavy blade.
3. If a rogue power requires you to wield a light blade, you can deal your Sneak Attack damage while using a one-handed heavy blade with that power.

I think it's intended to allow using a heavy blade for all melee powers, but that's not what come out on paper.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 03, 2012 - 12:23PM #4
ankiyavon
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Jan 3, 2012 -- 12:07PM, logopolis wrote:


I think it's intended to allow using a heavy blade for all rogue powers, but that's not what come out on paper.




I agree with you; I think the intent is basically 'You can treat one-handed heavy blades as light blades for the purposes of Sneak Attack and rogue powers'.  But as written, if a rogue power imposes no weapon restriction (like, say, Palming Strike), you would not be able to apply your sneak attack while using a one-handed heavy blade.


I think the feat author assumed that all rogue powers require a light blade, which is a pretty fair assumption most of the time, but there are a few exceptions.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 04, 2012 - 7:25AM #5
Daiyang
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well, im asking about the "killer's eye" paragon power of assassins path. my halfling rogue reached 10lvl with daggers and artfull dodging and charismatic acrobatics, but my dmg was low (~20/turn) and all the others make fun of me :P
i thought frost cheese daggermaster path will be the answer but then i thought a more brutal specc!

level 11, Halfling, Rogue, Shadow Assassin
Build: Brawny Rogue
Rogue Tactics: Brutal Scoundrel
Rogue: Rogue Weapon Talent
Student of the Plague: Sight of the Unseen
Background: Durpar (Durpar Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 18, Con 16, Dex 20, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 13.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 15, Con 13, Dex 15, Int 11, Wis 12, Cha 12.


AC: 24 Fort: 21 Reflex: 24 Will: 18
HP: 78 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 19

TRAINED SKILLS
Stealth +17, Thievery +17, Bluff +11, Perception +13, Acrobatics +17, Athletics +16

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +6, Diplomacy +6, Dungeoneering +6, Endurance +8, Heal +6, History +6, Insight +6, Intimidate +6, Nature +6, Religion +6, Streetwise +6

FEATS
Level 1: Backstabber
Level 2: Nimble Dodge
Level 4: Lost in the Crowd
Level 6: Weapon Expertise (Heavy Blade)
Level 8: Slaying Action
Level 10: Versatile Duelist
Level 11: Student of the Plague

POWERS
Rogue at-will 1: Riposte Strike
Rogue at-will 1: Clever Strike
Rogue encounter 1: Torturous Strike
Rogue daily 1: Pommel Smash
Rogue utility 2: Fast Hands
Rogue encounter 3: Brutal Trick
Rogue daily 5: Bloodbath
Rogue utility 6: Sidestep Stance
Rogue encounter 7: Circling Predator
Rogue daily 9: Swift Strike
Rogue utility 10: Rapid Escape

playing with a longsword and weilding it with two hands (cause of small size and NOT gaining +1 dmg is uncanny i know, but also very deadly), it happens to messure up me dmg with an at will power with sneak attack(with +2 subtle weapon) to >> +18 att. > 4d8+13, witch is much higher than dagger specc.!
i know most of you will have opinion and suggestions on my build but i like to create strange characters and fighting styles
BUT ill gladly take and advice about another paragon path, more suitable for my halfling ,,,

cheers
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 04, 2012 - 8:32AM #6
logopolis
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Jan 4, 2012 -- 7:25AM, Daiyang wrote:

well, im asking about the "killer's eye" paragon power of assassins path.


Sorry to disappoint you, but the answer is clear.

Regardless of your interpretation of point #3 above, killer's eye is not a rogue power, so it will not qualify for Sneak Attack damage with Versatile Duelist.
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