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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 6:24AM
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For argument's sake, lets assume for a moment that WotC is working on 5e. (please do not turn this thread into a debate on 5e) This would mean that there is a definite endpoint on new official 4e material. Again, let's assume that 5e is a year away and WotC has 12 months to wrap up 4e.
Question: What absolutely must be done for 4e to be considered "finished" so that it can happily sit on the shelf and be played by future generations.
Has this point already been reached?
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The current edition is BECMI, the most popular form of Basic D&D and the adventure is the classic Red Box quest to kill Bargle the evil magic user. Check it out, learn about the games roots, and enjoy the story as it unfolds.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 6:27AM
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I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Most things I'd be interested in buying are actually inspirations, but they're not neccesarily bound by rules. There's a lot of stuff available and it's easy enough to make my own when it's not there...
So yeah, I don't think there's anything really missing, even if there's plenty of stuff that can still be done.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 6:54AM
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Personally I'd like to see a reprint of PHB1. I know it's probably not going to happen, but I do feel that an updated version of the book that includes all of the Class Compendium rewrites and rules revisions would go a long way towards ensuring that 4e is a game that can easily be played 30 years from now without having to reference a dozen different Dragon articles.
Want to know more about the history of D&D, especially how to play older editions of the game? Check out Crazy Monkey's "Tour through the editions":
http://community.wizards.com/crazymonkey/go/forum/view/133793/225799/Asylum_Play-by-Post
The current edition is BECMI, the most popular form of Basic D&D and the adventure is the classic Red Box quest to kill Bargle the evil magic user. Check it out, learn about the games roots, and enjoy the story as it unfolds.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 7:49AM
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Since I assume that a lot of people use DDI (aka the Builder and the Compendium) to play 4th Edition, I actually think that nobody would bother with the edition anymore if those tools weren't supported anymore.
So, to answer your question: free access to all DDI tools (character builder, compendium, monster builder, Dragon and Dungeon magazine content). But not before 5th Edition has been published, obv.
With regards to actual content (mechanical or otherwise), I second Pluisjen. Even if content production for 4E would stop tomorrow, there would be enough material to keep playing for years and years.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 9:06AM
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We still need power books for neglected classes. I see only the martial classes, wizard, cleric, warlock, druid, and maybe some others complete. Especially PHB3 classes need more material.
DMG3 focusing on epic tier is needed. Many DMs have serious problems in challenging the characters at that tier.
More errata is also needed as there are many known problems that need fixing.
Otherwise the edition is pretty complete. More adventures and campaign settings would always be welcome.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 9:17AM
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So yeah, I don't think there's anything really missing, even if there's plenty of stuff that can still be done.
This best represents my view. 4e has given me everything I need, and most of what I want. (I am not sure it could give me the rest of what I want.)
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 9:25AM
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DMG3 focusing on epic tier is needed. Many DMs have serious problems in challenging the characters at that tier.
+1
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 9:57AM
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Nothing, and everything.
If they added nothing more, it'd still be a great system.
But what they could add is limitless, and it would be awesome.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 10:09AM
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Since I assume that a lot of people use DDI (aka the Builder and the Compendium) to play 4th Edition, I actually think that nobody would bother with the edition anymore if those tools weren't supported anymore.
Interesting. Do you think that if WotC were to remove the 4e digital tools when 5e comes out that it would kill the edition outright?
Can 4e only only survive into the future if digital tools are available?
Want to know more about the history of D&D, especially how to play older editions of the game? Check out Crazy Monkey's "Tour through the editions":
http://community.wizards.com/crazymonkey/go/forum/view/133793/225799/Asylum_Play-by-Post
The current edition is BECMI, the most popular form of Basic D&D and the adventure is the classic Red Box quest to kill Bargle the evil magic user. Check it out, learn about the games roots, and enjoy the story as it unfolds.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 10:26AM
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Since I assume that a lot of people use DDI (aka the Builder and the Compendium) to play 4th Edition, I actually think that nobody would bother with the edition anymore if those tools weren't supported anymore.
Interesting. Do you think that if WotC were to remove the 4e digital tools when 5e comes out that it would kill the edition outright?
Can 4e only only survive into the future if digital tools are available?
Why WOULD they stop providing the 4e tools? It is just files on a server somewhere that presumably would be supporting 5e DDI anyway. You subscribe, you get access to both. Seems pretty much fine to me. Notice that WotC still serves up all the 3.5 content they have on their server, they never took any of that down.
There are tons of cool things that COULD be done with 4e still. Honestly I don't really know why people would want to have to buy all the same stuff all over again for 5e instead of getting actual new interesting cool 4e stuff that builds on what we have already.
There's not really a lot of crunch that 4e NEEDS at this point. There could be a whole bunch of epic monsters though, adventures, better tools, more articles for different settings and cool things to do with the game. Heck, AD&D barely scratched the surface in 20+ years.
That is not dead which may eternal lie
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