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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 11:07PM
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Aug 30, 2009
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The ironic part of all this is that 4e in general is a lot more flexible system in terms of writing setting and adventure material than previous editions because there are all sorts of plotlines and setting conceits that 4e can support that are beastly hard in a game with overwhelming plot power given to just casters. At least I've found that to be the case for my games. Where it gets ironic is that WotC made this huge new opening for stuff and then walked away from the whole market for adventures and settings.
Honestly I have a hard time even understanding how there anyone can even think for a second of 4e as in any way tapped out. There are plenty enough mechanics, but it is like you finished building your Ferrarri and its sitting at the end of the driveway all ready to go and you say "Eh, well, that's all there is to that, nothing more to do with this baby..."
My biggest issue with 4e at this point is new players. How do I introduce it to them? Do I give them the PHB and explain it's outdated? Do I give them the Essentials books but explain most older classes have a unified system that's more complicated? Or do I just give them DDI and tell them to figure it out from there?
I agree that 4e really only needs a little crunch, and that just because it feels good to get new mechanical stuff along with fluff. But to be frank, 4e's openness actually makes it so fluff need not be made, because it encourages you to make stuff up. It's a great system for roleplaying over rollplaying, at least out fo combat. Overall it feels like a nealry perfect system overall, but not much is needed. I would care if they made a 5th edition, but only out of curiosity, not because I'd bemoan 4e support dwindling. We don't need any more support, even if we want more.
And yes I understand many things have been ignored, but that always happens. Sometimes we just have to live with the Seeker, Ossassin, Binder and Vampire being awful. It happens--that's what reflavouring is for, and 4e allows that more than any system before it. Just play a similar class and reflavour! Same for race, too, honestly.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 4:35AM
#32
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Date Joined:
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My biggest issue with 4e at this point is new players. How do I introduce it to them? Do I give them the PHB and explain it's outdated? Do I give them the Essentials books but explain most older classes have a unified system that's more complicated? Or do I just give them DDI and tell them to figure it out from there?
I would never have given a totally new player the Players' Handbook in any edition. I always just pregenerated a handful of simple iconic characters and asked them which they prefered. Then I taught how to play that. When they are hooked, they are usually willing to drink from the fire hose. When they are only casually interested, it is a waste of time to show them a book, no matter how slim or simple.
So in my case, Fourth Edition will be just as easy to teach to new players in 20 years as it is now. Particularly since everything can be stored on a flash drive if necessary.
Member of Grognards for 4th Edition
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 11:23AM
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Short answer: Spelljammer Campaign Boxed Set Long answer: Good and informative campaign guides for EVERY setting. FR has one book... no wait.. two with Neverwinter  ! Dark Sun? Don't get me started... 4th Realms went there with the spellplague and wrecked a good portion of the continent - of course I CAN invent everything myself - but would I like to see more guides? yes
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 1:04PM
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Date Joined:
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- Feywild DM set like the Shadowfell set.
- Lots more published adventures, spanning several levels, and adventures in campaign settings such as FR, and using in-print dungeon tiles and with poster maps.
The amount of published adventures for 4e is quite poor, to be frank. FR has 1 published adventure. (I'm not counting the ones in dungeon magazine.)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 10:44AM
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Date Joined:
May 25, 2009
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I now know this won't happen, but I was peeved that a Martial Power 2 came out, when the Arcane, Divine, Primal, and Psionic Power 2 books were never made. What on earth was the rationale for that? I find Martial to be the most boring, depth-less power source to play. (So you have weapons and training and can sling them around.) It's really not fair that those classes get that many options, builds, power choices, feats, etc. while the rest of the classes don't.
So I would say that, while I know it won't happen, it should be a VERY big priority to happen in future editions of D&D.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 6:44PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 19, 2008
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I now know this won't happen, but I was peeved that a Martial Power 2 came out, when the Arcane, Divine, Primal, and Psionic Power 2 books were never made. What on earth was the rationale for that? I find Martial to be the most boring, depth-less power source to play. (So you have weapons and training and can sling them around.) It's really not fair that those classes get that many options, builds, power choices, feats, etc. while the rest of the classes don't.
So I would say that, while I know it won't happen, it should be a VERY big priority to happen in future editions of D&D.
Honestly, if it wasn't for Martial practices, I'd agree with you.
Ahh, so THIS is where I can add a sig.
Remember: Killing an ancient God inside of a pyramid IS a Special Occasion, and thus, ladies should be dipping into their Special Occasions underwear drawer.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:15PM
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Date Joined:
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Outside of the stuff we already know is coming about the ONLY things I think 4E needs for me to consider it complete would be an Epic Tier Monster Manual (most all of the existing monsters in the upper half of epic are elites/solos with virtually no standards or minions to speak of) and MAYBE a DMG3 focused on epic tier play.
Beyond that I think we've got more than enough material available for my 4E gaming groups to spend the rest of our lives playing without actually running out of new combinations... heck, out of all the 4E campaigns I've been in since it came out, I know we've used less than half the classes, maybe a third of the races, and barely 10% of the available monsters and magic items. And that doesn't even count the differences due to setting (the game that's reached paragon tier has seen our characters become lords and ladies of own respective realms, with court intrigues playing as big a role as traditional dungeon crawls while the low level campaign I'm in began with the characters as refugees trying to outrun an advancing hostile army and looks to be morphing into one where we are going to be guerrilla fighters playing Robin Hood against the mostly human enemy forces).
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