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1 year ago  ::  Dec 04, 2011 - 3:23PM #1
Demetri_Knighthawk
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I am wondering this, and please let us keep it kind. 


The quote of the USMC as I understand it is God, country, corps.


Does that make a Marine a paladin as they serve their God before their country? 

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 04, 2011 - 3:40PM #2
Salla
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No, because they don't channel Astral energies.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 04, 2011 - 11:44PM #3
Duskweaver
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Dec 4, 2011 -- 3:23PM, Demetri_Knighthawk wrote:

The quote of the USMC as I understand it is God, country, corps.

Does that make a Marine a paladin as they serve their God before their country?



AFAIK, that's not an official motto. And actually requiring US marines to "serve God before their country" would make baby Thomas Jefferson cry (er... I mean "would be blatantly unconstitutional").

One could argue that "Semper Fidelis" could qualify US marines as the real-world equivalent of cavaliers, though: i.e. paladins who devote themselves to a particular virtue rather than to a deity.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 05, 2011 - 2:47AM #4
MalakLightfoot
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Semper Fidelis means "always loyal" or "always faithful." The word "Deus" (or any other conjugation of the word "God") does not appear anywhere in that phrase , neither does any other object, so the assumption must be that the Marine is "always loyal" to the Corps, and through the Corps, loyal to the entity whom the Corps serves.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 05, 2011 - 3:03AM #5
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You could make a ranger 'knighthood' like the Purple Knights of Cormyr - secular, nationalist knights.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 05, 2011 - 1:57PM #6
Demetri_Knighthawk
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Pardon my ignorance, what does AFAIK mean?
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 05, 2011 - 1:58PM #7
The_Ubbergeek
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Dec 5, 2011 -- 1:57PM, Demetri_Knighthawk wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, what does AFAIK mean?


As Far I Know, as far I know.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 05, 2011 - 3:49PM #8
Salla
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Dec 5, 2011 -- 1:57PM, Demetri_Knighthawk wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, what does AFAIK mean?




'As Far As I Know'.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2011 - 2:47AM #9
Duskweaver
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Dec 5, 2011 -- 2:47AM, MalakLightfoot wrote:

Semper Fidelis means "always loyal" or "always faithful." The word "Deus" (or any other conjugation of the word "God") does not appear anywhere in that phrase , neither does any other object, so the assumption must be that the Marine is "always loyal" to the Corps, and through the Corps, loyal to the entity whom the Corps serves.



Yes. Which, if you read the Cavalier fluff, is perfectly in keeping. Cavaliers aren't devoted to a deity like other paladins. They are devoted to their virtue, which could just as easily be 'Loyalty' as 'Sacrifice', 'Valor', 'Justice' or whatever. It's the strength of their belief in that virtue that gives them access to divine power, but there's no reason why they have to be religious. A Cavalier could actively reject all the gods and still be a Cavalier.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2011 - 7:14PM #10
Salla
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Dec 6, 2011 -- 2:47AM, Duskweaver wrote:

Dec 5, 2011 -- 2:47AM, MalakLightfoot wrote:

Semper Fidelis means "always loyal" or "always faithful." The word "Deus" (or any other conjugation of the word "God") does not appear anywhere in that phrase , neither does any other object, so the assumption must be that the Marine is "always loyal" to the Corps, and through the Corps, loyal to the entity whom the Corps serves.



Yes. Which, if you read the Cavalier fluff, is perfectly in keeping. Cavaliers aren't devoted to a deity like other paladins. They are devoted to their virtue, which could just as easily be 'Loyalty' as 'Sacrifice', 'Valor', 'Justice' or whatever. It's the strength of their belief in that virtue that gives them access to divine power, but there's no reason why they have to be religious. A Cavalier could actively reject all the gods and still be a Cavalier.




Of course, so can a Paladin or any divine-power-source character.  Once the powers are yours, they're yours to keep.

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