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1 year ago  ::  Dec 01, 2011 - 7:47PM #21
Hyrsam
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
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Well no wants to be a crazy prophet of doom...
kidding.

Seriously we don't even know what the heck the dungeon explorer guide is, so no point in assuming it sucks at least till we know more.

I'm not really into Drizzt, I lost interest after he killed his last sister, but I do like really like Menz. Not all intrigue is just between drow houses, other races trade, work, and fight in the city. Also Menz is a theocracy of Lolth, but other Gods do have thier own agents and plots in the city. In fact treatior priests are some of the most interesting intrigues. Thier are plots between houses, between races, between merchant clans, between Gods, possible between fiends, and between rival wizards. Any race short of elves and elderin are allowed in as long as they have permission from a Matron Mother or work for those that do. Non drow aren't held to the worship of Lolth like Drow are I think, not sure of that though.
I suspect it'll have ways to involve non drow players if only because drow only is too small a demographic.
I suspect Shades, Vrylokas, Dark Dwarves, Tieflings, Doppelgangers, Shadar-Kai, Humans, Minatuars and other more monsterous races do very well in Menz, except maybe fey and devas. Possible exceptions Satyr's of night. Still likely need the support of a Drow Noble House.
Point is more factions then House vs. House.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 02, 2011 - 12:43AM #22
Steely_Dan
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I would like to see Svirfneblin addressed properly (or have they already?).
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 02, 2011 - 6:50AM #23
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I don't believe so, at least not as a player race.

I wouldn't mind a playable type of aboleth race.

Some new builds I for see, Blackguards of fear and greed, maybe a mount option too like a phase spider mount at heroic and a Purple Dragon or Shadow Dragon at epic, Lolth doman warpriests, a pure shadow necromancer class, priestess of Lolth paragon path that grants a snake whip, a pain based ardent, a new divine subclass traitor priest, a theme that grants membership in a drow noble house, an ED or pp for female drow Matron Mother, a theme  or pp that has you as a trader in Menz for any race, pps or themes that connect to nearby cities, like advesary (pc mindflayer), or servator (pc aboleth servant), a slave of a drow house theme (again for non drow), an arcane theme around the menz's school of magic, the same for one based on the fighter academy, a surface race inflitrator pp, a spider companion theme or pp, werespider theme, chitin pc race, deep gnomes as the poster above suggested.

I would also mention that based on the cover blue, its a player book. Still it'll have to have more then just stuff usable by drow.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 02, 2011 - 2:14PM #24
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Nov 28, 2011 -- 2:29PM, Fallen_Star_02 wrote:

Why doesn't Wizards do big splashy "Announcing..." articles for D&D books, the way they do for Magic?


Why do they let upcoming major releases appear silently on Amazon or thier product catalog?




They used to in 2008 and 2009 (the golden years of 4e to me) in the Ampersands, but in 2010 they became just sales pitches for the next month's products, and then they stopped doing them entirely.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2011 - 6:59AM #25
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Dec 2, 2011 -- 6:50AM, Hyrsam wrote:

Blackguards of fear and greed




I doubt that any book would have a build a for class from another, non-Essentials/Player's Handbook book; that's most likely why the fey binder is to appear in this month's Dragon, rather than being in Heroes of the Feywild.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2011 - 7:07PM #26
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Dec 2, 2011 -- 2:14PM, excalainen wrote:

Nov 28, 2011 -- 2:29PM, Fallen_Star_02 wrote:

Why doesn't Wizards do big splashy "Announcing..." articles for D&D books, the way they do for Magic?

Why do they let upcoming major releases appear silently on Amazon or thier product catalog?




They used to in 2008 and 2009 (the golden years of 4e to me) in the Ampersands, but in 2010 they became just sales pitches for the next month's products, and then they stopped doing them entirely.



They used to have big announcements for the year at GenCon, but after the complaints and problems with the cancelled books at the beginning of the year they switched to only announcing for six months. They could have just been vocal about books, letting people know the status of books, telling us fans instead of stealth-cancelling and waiting for people to notice. But I guess they'd rather have a non-event new product seminar, 

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2011 - 10:03PM #27
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Good point.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 04, 2011 - 1:55PM #28
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Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue does not include the words "Campaign" or "Setting" on the cover.  Covers might lie, but previously with Neverwinter it only lied about being a Campaign Guide when the final book said Campaign Setting (presumably because it included player options as well – note that Gloomwrought was a Campaign Guide, and did not, while Dark Sun was a Campaign Setting and did). 

Menzoberranzan includes neither on the pre-release cover. Therefore, even if it IS the August Release, to call it the 2012 Setting is disingenuous.  It seems to have more in common with Hammerfast and Vor Rukoth, to be honest. 

We had 2 Campaigns published in 2011 – Gloomwrought and Neverwinter.  Nobody said that the Setting HAD to be published in August; it's just a 3 year trend of doing so.  And then in 2011, Neverwinter followed it up, so people arbitrarily said that was the "true" Campaign Setting of the year, when really, Gloomwrought + Heroes of Shadow was just as important.  And 2011 WAS a year of mixing things up, what with releasing 2 Player's Handbook-like titles in the same year – both Heroes of Shadow and Heroes of the Feywild.   I wouldn't be surprised if they're changing their release dates entirely.  We just don't know.

In the end, Menzoberranzan just doesn't seem to fit with the clues for the 2012 setting.  But it IS a good idea to publish, as it follows on the heels of Neverwinter as a Paragon semi-sequel, and Drow and Drizzt have publishing power.  In fact, Legend of Drizzt and its various spin-offs and sequels and merchandise have probably sold more than the rest of D&D combined, sorry to say.  So publishing into that is a good way to keep the profit margin up while supporting what we already have.  But it just doesn't seem to fit any setting clues besides an August release and being a location book.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 20, 2011 - 11:59PM #29
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I love it and can't wait.  Just have to throw it out there since it seems to be mostly drow and FR hatin' on this thread.  While a lot of people dislike the drow and FR, both are fairly popular and likely to make money.  Making money is what business is all about.

Things like Dark Sun and Eberron (I won't touch either of those with a 10 foot pole...our group was actually going to play in Eberron until we found out about flying ships, electric trains and robots and simply said no, not playing there) are somewhat fringe, and appeal to a far smaller spectrum of people...and thus will sell less.  I imagine that's why WotC is going back to FR as hard as they have been lately, as it's traditionally been a cash cow, AND much of the material can be re-flavored easily for use in homebrew worlds.  Stuff like Dark Sun, is much harder to refluff and reuse...as would Al Quadim, Kara-tur, or another "creative and new" approach.  It's simply not likely to sell as well for a variety of reasons.

The drow and FR fanboy in me is pleased.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 21, 2011 - 7:43AM #30
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I will never buy anything to do with Forgotten realms because it's so overused it's not funny. It's just a regular setting with some locations made famous by Drizzt! No imagination whatsoever until the spellplague, which FR fans hated. Eberron is awesome, cyberpunk is the best. Why would your group think about it until you found out about that stuff? There the whole reason you would play the setting!
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