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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 12:50PM #11
Rathyr
Date Joined: Dec 3, 2009
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Yea, I was considering going Deva/Revenant cheese, but decided against it. It would be a late paragon/early epic trick anyways, and if I opt to go with the stealth upgrades I was talking about, there probably won't even be room until mid epic.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 5:48PM #12
Suzume_Stjohn
Date Joined: Aug 15, 2010
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This is very similar to my build, cept I went with hengeyokai instead of revenant.  Been a lot of fun thus far.  
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 7:28PM #13
Rathyr
Date Joined: Dec 3, 2009
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Revenant is a pretty vital part of the build (build defining IMO). Nice that you can still play as another race and enjoy it. 

Still, Shuriken Spam with Death Attack and lots of shrouds is a fairly friendly level of optimization for IRL. I'd play it.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 8:24PM #14
Suzume_Stjohn
Date Joined: Aug 15, 2010
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Well, what I did was go alchemist for perma poison, use the ongoing 2 poison on my shirukens, and any thing I kill I get a shroud, anything else I get 5 thps if they fail the save. (Beshiba's boon)

So it's a win win, either I kill outright, which makes the encounter over quicker, or I get a nice bit of padding to make myself tougher 
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 9:15PM #15
Sotomatic
Date Joined: Apr 23, 2011
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Your actually only at +32 to hit, check your math. I'll one up you with my build, an Osassin, capable of killing 2 standard brutes EACH encounter, or very close, at least one for sure.  I havent run the math but its easily over 200 dpr with each minor nova round or 300+ if I use both minors(yeah theme and multiclass rogue)

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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Sever, level 22
Revenant, Assassin, Soul Thief, Perfect Slayer
Guild Training Option: Night Stalker
Choose your Race in Life: Githzerai
Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit)
Theme: Sohei
 
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 17, CON 12, DEX 28, INT 10, WIS 13, CHA 18
 
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 13, CON 10, DEX 18, INT 8, WIS 11, CHA 12
 
 
AC: 39 Fort: 29 Ref: 38 Will: 30
HP: 122 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 30
 
TRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +25, Bluff +20, Endurance +19, Stealth +25, Streetwise +20, Thievery +25
 
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +11, Athletics +14, Diplomacy +15, Dungeoneering +12, Heal +12, History +11, Insight +12, Intimidate +17, Nature +12, Perception +12, Religion +11
 
POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Sohie Attack: Sohie Flair
Revenant Utility: Dark Reaping
Assassin Feature: Assassin's Shroud
Assassin Utility: Black Flame Form
Assassin Feature: Shadow Step
Assassin Attack 1: Shadow Storm
Assassin Attack 1: Executioner's Noose
Assassin Attack 1: Targeted for Death
Acrobatics Utility 2: Agile Recovery
Assassin Attack 3: Nightshade's Kiss
Assassin Utility 6: Ghost of the Rooftops
Assassin Utility 10: Slayer's Endurance
Soul Thief Attack 11: Soul Shadow
Soul Thief Utility 12: Stalking Phantom
Assassin Attack 13: Dark Step Ambush
Assassin Attack 15: Sundered Shadow
Assassin Utility 16: Liquid Shadow
Assassin Attack 17: Traitorous Shadow
Assassin Attack 19: Phantom Assault
Soul Thief Attack 20: Final Ending
Assassin Utility 22: Soul of Death
 
FEATS
Level 1: Weapon Focus (Light blade)
Level 2: Nimble Blade
Level 4: Light Blade Expertise
Level 6: Grave Dust Assassin
Level 8: Killer's Insight
Level 10: Lethal Shroud
Level 11: Lasting Frost
Level 12: Sneak of Shadows
Level 16: Novice Power
Level 20: Thin the Herd
Level 21: Reaping Renewal
Level 21: Light Blade Mastery
Level 22: Ghostly Vitality
Level 22: Disciple of Death
 
ITEMS
Dice of Auspicious Fortune
Iron Armbands of Power (paragon tier) x1
Frost Rapier +4 x1
Boots of Quickness (paragon tier) x1
Light Shield x1
Death Strike Ki Focus +4 x1
Gloves of Ice (epic tier) x1
War Ring
Haunted Ray Leather Armor +5 x1
Periapt of Recovery +4 x1
Circlet of Arkhosia (paragon tier) x1
Belt of Sonnlinor Righteousness (paragon tier) x1
Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (epic tier)
====== End ======


comes with standard +9 death saves, belt of broken, save vs Daze at start of turn with a +1 even (lol theme bonus). Crits on 19-20. Once I run the math I'll post up my build.  Its based on a build I made a couple months ago.  Ignore the feat order, I'll fix it when I get a chance to post it up.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 9:45PM #16
Rathyr
Date Joined: Dec 3, 2009
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Frost Cheese and Unkillable revenants have been done to death (pun intended), which is why I typically don't bother to include their elements in any of my builds.

Keep in mind that Sohei requires a melee weapon attack, iirc. 
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 10:04PM #17
Sotomatic
Date Joined: Apr 23, 2011
Posts: 292
All my attacks are weapon, and I only used the revenant death cheese for filler, I couldnt find more feats for dpr, but no ones made an assassin that can kill 2 brutes each encounter, yours cant even kill one!  And they say assassins have crappy DPR.

Ok highest lvl 22 brute as 258 hp and I'm averaging 248 with a single minor nova round.  So I cant claim to one shot kill any brute but I'm pretty damned close.  Need to find a way to muster a little more damage

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Mob of Shadows
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+33vs 34 Will

3d8(Weapon) + 9(dex) + 4(Enhancement) + 3(Weapon Focus) + 4(Arms) + 4(Feature) + 3(CA) + 4(gloves) + 5(shard) + 5d6(Sneak Attack) + 4d8+40(Shrouds) + 1d8+4(Dark Reaping)
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8d8+5d6+83

hit = 36+17.5+83 = 136.5
crit = 194.5


.05(43.5) + .85(136.5) + .1(194.5) = 2.175 + 116.025 + 19.45 =   2.175   +   116.025  +   19.45   = 138


Tumbling Strike
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+33 vs 36 AC

3d8(Weapon) +  9(dex) + 4(Enhancement) + 3(Feat) + 4(Arms) + 4(Feature) + 3(CA) + 4(gloves) + 5(shard) + 5(Lasting Frost) + 4d8+40(shrouds)

hit - 7d8+81 = 112.5
crit - 154.5

.1(43.5) + .1(154.5) + .8(112.5) =
  4.35   +    15.45  +     90    = 110

Total Damage = 248
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 10:36PM #18
2ndEditionPwns
Date Joined: Sep 6, 2009
Posts: 37
How were you able to take Ninja and get Assassin's Strike on a non-essentials assassin?  The only way I can get it is to take Executioner's Guild as my guild training option, which would let me take ninja?
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 10:39PM #19
Feris
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2009
Posts: 89
Rathyr, if the DM goes with those assumptions (even tho I don't see any harm to give Shrouds a little juice) it's a very interesting build.

Now one thing, kinda off topic, is bugging me...

When and where Wizards Updated the Gauntlets of Blood to +3 instead of the old +2 ?

Lol, sorry for my dumb question. Now I see that u mean +1 from Ki-focus Expertise and +2 from gauntlet.

My bad
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 28, 2011 - 10:45PM #20
Sotomatic
Date Joined: Apr 23, 2011
Posts: 292
Edited my build so it now does 254!  Bah 4 points shy grrr.....  Subbed out the undying package for melee training(dex) two-weapon fighting and two-weapon opening.
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