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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 10:47PM #1
yargon
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 10:49PM #2
svendj
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Free gouge training for humans and halflings?
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 10:49PM #3
Mand12
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I'd really wish they'd stop having racial prerequisites for themes.  Racial restrictions are entirely a fluff thing, they should not be so firmly established in the rules to the point where they don't show up when you're browsing themes in the Character Builder.

What if I'm using the Callidyrr Dragoon (enough double letters? really) in a setting that...doesn't have Callidyrr?  The human or halfing restriction now no longer matters, but my players won't know it exists unless I specifically tell them or they get lucky with race choices.

Please, please stop putting in racial prerequisites for themes.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 10:51PM #4
Mand12
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Nov 23, 2011 -- 10:49PM, svendj wrote:

Free gouge training for humans and halflings?



Gouges aren't military weapons, which is what I assume the writers meant when they said "martial"

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 10:52PM #5
svendj
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Nov 23, 2011 -- 10:51PM, Mand12 wrote:

Nov 23, 2011 -- 10:49PM, svendj wrote:

Free gouge training for humans and halflings?



Gouges aren't military weapons, which is what I assume the writers meant when they said "martial"



Yeah, I was just re-reading that benefit, and was like: "OK, what's the difference between a martial and a primal weapon then?"

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 10:55PM #6
satanicway
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Other them that, the new themes seemed underpowered.

A case can be made for Sarifal on mini-nova and flare builds of multi-hitting aspect.
Also Light of Sarifal is a descent daily, but only for defenders.
(Edit: O_o Battleminds at lvl 13+ will use both =D) (Oh and it seems that this vulnerability stacks, because its "vulnerability: Your attacks that deals "insert element here" and its different them "vulnerability: Fire" isnt it? Im not sure if it works, but if it doesnt its really not that good, but if it does its one of the best for flares and mini-novas.)


Callidyrr Dragoon is another "gain free mounted combat and no useful way to use it".
All powers are weak, and the diplomacy as heal in range 5 is a interesting feature, but not at lvl 10.


One of them have a very specific group fo builds that can use it, and the other is totally useless.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 24, 2011 - 5:47AM #7
Tedium
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Nov 23, 2011 -- 10:55PM, satanicway wrote:

Callidyrr Dragoon is another "gain free mounted combat and no useful way to use it".
All powers are weak, and the diplomacy as heal in range 5 is a interesting feature, but not at lvl 10.




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1 year ago  ::  Nov 24, 2011 - 7:30AM #8
Scatterbrained
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Nov 23, 2011 -- 10:49PM, Mand12 wrote:

I'd really wish they'd stop having racial prerequisites for themes.  Racial restrictions are entirely a fluff thing, they should not be so firmly established in the rules to the point where they don't show up when you're browsing themes in the Character Builder.


Especially when the article begins with examples of total refluffs of existing themes. I was really happy to see that they were encouraging that as a possibility, and then they go and put arbitrary restrictions on themes in the same article.

Also, I'm upset one of the themes didn't give pixies a badass squirrel mount as pictured on the first page. What a tease.

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 24, 2011 - 8:31AM #9
TheMalteseFalchion
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Enjoy your Mounted Combat Feat*!

*Mount sold separately.



The Sarifal Warden level 6 utility is relatively nice on its own, but I'm not sure I would want to take the entire theme just for that.

Dragoon Summons is completely underwhelming for a daily.  It's another meat shield I don't have to care about raising if it dies, who can redirect 1 attack/encounter from someone important.  The aura is something Feywild Beast-Tamers have been doing since... level 1.

Jan 12, 2012 -- 8:31PM, Bargle0 wrote:

This is CharOp. We not only assume block-of-tofu monsters, but also block-of-tofu DMs.



Feb 5, 2012 -- 8:44AM, Illeist wrote:

One reach cheese'd threatening reach Spiked Chain shuts down any non-teleporting quarterback.



May 12, 2013 -- 6:38PM, zelink551 wrote:

You're already refluffing, what not refluff to something that doesn't suck?

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 24, 2011 - 9:11AM #10
IxidorRS
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Nov 24, 2011 -- 8:31AM, TheMalteseFalchion wrote:

Enjoy your Mounted Combat Feat*!

*Mount sold separately.



The Sarifal Warden level 6 utility is relatively nice on its own, but I'm not sure I would want to take the entire theme just for that.

Dragoon Summons is completely underwhelming for a daily.  It's another meat shield I don't have to care about raising if it dies, who can redirect 1 attack/encounter from someone important.  The aura is something Feywild Beast-Tamers have been doing since... level 1.




I think Sarifal Warden's starting feature is where it shines. In an optimized party, it's going to be sick. For instance, wasn't there a party optimization thread on this forum awhile back for 'the thunderlords' or something like that? This + a party that deals nothing but that = hooray we're saved!

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