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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 1:02AM #1
sundance8503
Date Joined: Apr 15, 2006
Posts: 102

Yes I know this sounds like a weird/stupid idea but hear me out. 

I was playing with the CB when I saw a power I usually over look because I don't like playing melee casters. It's called Ensorcelled Blade, and it can be used as a melee basic attack. This allows the Executioner side of the hybrid use the Dex to hit and damage instead of the Cha, along with adding that lovely 1d8 it adds to melee basic attacks. On top of it, the Ensorcelled Blade states that if the creature you hit with the attack hits or misses you, it gets damaged by the spell source option damage again. Add White Lotus Riposte to the mix and if you are hit by the creature you can be dishing out 10 points of automatic out of turn damage as an incentive not to go attacking you. 

It's pretty much a one trick pony, as any powers you get from being a sorc aren't going to hit very well unless they are weapon attacks but it's still a neat idea I think. I hadn't seen a build like this before but maybe it's already been discussed. If it already has, would someone point me to the thread so I can see what was come up with for it?

Mine was built up to 3rd level and in a Dark Sun campaign with no magic items so I am sure you guys can think up the different magic items to add to make it better.

I think the builder put it at +10 to hit 1d6+11 (the builder lists +5 from Dex and +5 from Sorcerous Power and +1 from inherent bonus), 1d8, and if you added the Assassin's Strike it was another 2d10 and if you were attacked by the creature it would take 10 points of damage, and if it misses it takes 5 points


====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Mari, level 3
Human, Assassin (Executioner)/Sorcerer
Guild Attacks (Hybrid) Option: Red Scales (Hybrid)
Hybrid Assassin (Executioner) Option: Hybrid Executioner Fortitude
Sorcerous Power Option: Sorcerous Power Dexterity
Human Power Selection Option: Heroic Effort
Dark Sun, Inherent Bonuses

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 11, DEX 20, INT 8, WIS 10, CHA 14

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 11, DEX 18, INT 8, WIS 10, CHA 14


AC: 16 Fort: 13 Ref: 17 Will: 15
HP: 33 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 8

TRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +11, Bluff +8, Intimidate +8, Stealth +11

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +0, Athletics +1, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +1, Endurance +1, Heal +1, History +0, Insight +1, Nature +1, Perception +1, Religion +0, Streetwise +3, Thievery +6

POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Human Racial Power: Heroic Effort
Assassin Attack: Poisoned Dagger
Assassin Attack: Quick Lunge
Assassin Attack: Assassin's Strike
: Swap Daily For Poison Recipe
Sorcerer Attack 1: Ensorcelled Blade
Assassin Attack 1: Shadow Storm
Sorcerer Utility 2: Spatial Trip
Sorcerer Attack 3: Flame Spiral

FEATS
Level 1: White Lotus Riposte
Level 1: Mastery of Knives
Level 2: Light Blade Expertise

ITEMS
Dagger
Bloodroot Poison
Kukri
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====== End ======


 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 1:32AM #2
psk20
Date Joined: Jun 17, 2007
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I think technically it's not a melee basic attack - it can just be used in place of one.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 1:33AM #3
erachima
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Yep. "In place of" language kills the whole idea.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 2:54AM #4
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Eldritch Blast/Strike are the only powers that I know of which are worded with "Counts as"
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 3:02AM #5
erachima
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Power of Skill gives "is".
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 3:10AM #6
psk20
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"can be used as" is probably ok too. It's a little more iffy though.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 10:15AM #7
Illeist
Date Joined: Sep 24, 2010
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Also, Character Builder still gives Hybrid Executioners the full Assassin's Strike power, rather than the hybrid version. So you should just be doing 1d10 with Assassin's Strike all throughout heroic, unless you take it more than once.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 2:06PM #8
CahPahkah
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Oct 27, 2011 -- 1:33AM, erachima wrote:

Yep. "In place of" language kills the whole idea.




Quick question: I realize that this is generally accepted, but does anyone know where in the rules the "in place of/as/is/counts as" distinction comes from?

Only asking because the CB (which I understand is not a rules source) thinks Attack Finesse does apply to Ensorceled Blade -- and somebody just programed that in in a recent update...made me curious to check where the generally accepted usage distinction actually comes from.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 2:36PM #9
erachima
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Reading. Words mean things.

The Character Builder is never a rules source for this precise reason: it goes by whatever's easiest to code instead. For instance, it's claimed the Half-elf's ability to count as other races applies to PPs, when it says only feats, for years.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2011 - 9:18PM #10
mellored
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Reapers touch gives an MBA.
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