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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 3:33PM
#191
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Str based Paladins tend to ditch the shield for a 2hander, anyway. A spear wielding Paladin isn't exactly a far fetched concept.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 3:37PM
#192
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Not particularly. Being a defender isn't just sucking up hits. You have to be able to deal enough damage to be a threat, otherwise people will just ignore you. We had a Paladin swinging a Mordenkrad in a game for 5 levels, and she was AWESOME.
But if a spear does no more damage than a sword which you would wield with a shield, for example, then using the sword and shield is more logical.
Please note in a past example I said I want to use my spear 2 handed.
Just to be clear - you are going to use a plain old spear - not a long spear or a short spear, correct?
So by using the spear 2hd then you are getting a +1 to the damage which would be higher than if you were using the spear 1hd with a shield (alternatively, if you had used a long spear you would be doing more damage and would also have reach).
There are also some feats you can take, and if you are willing you can take the multiclass fighter that opens up a whole slew more of feats for you.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 4:54PM
#193
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Also, try the Longspear or Greatspear, Adrian. +2 or +3 prof, 1d10 damage, Reach. Better than the simple weapon spear. Longspear is totally kosher for the paly by default, the Greatspear takes training; not sure it's worth it for +1 more in proficiency, but there ya go.
How long is a longspear or greatspear? I see them mentioned in the Player's Handbook, but no descriptions.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 5:12PM
#194
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Also, try the Longspear or Greatspear, Adrian. +2 or +3 prof, 1d10 damage, Reach. Better than the simple weapon spear. Longspear is totally kosher for the paly by default, the Greatspear takes training; not sure it's worth it for +1 more in proficiency, but there ya go.
How long is a longspear or greatspear? I see them mentioned in the Player's Handbook, but no descriptions.
the 4e book doesn't have it listed in detail. But for what it's worth, neither 3e players handbook nor AD&D had a description that gave that detail either.
Rules Cyclopedia had it listed though, described as 6'-8' but they only had one clasification of spear in that book.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 5:24PM
#195
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Anyway... Mages use 2e style school builds instead of implement mastery builds. So you get some bonuses to damage and whatever with spells in your school.
I had a breeze through Heroes of the Fallen Lands. I'm a bit confused about something. The Mage entry seems to have a contradiction. It both says, "A mage is a specialized wizard, a spellcaster who focuses on the tenets of a particularschool of magic", and also, "Mages are widely known as generalists among wizards"
and both themes seem to be repeated more than once. First calling them specialists, then calling them generalists.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 5:25PM
#196
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Also, try the Longspear or Greatspear, Adrian. +2 or +3 prof, 1d10 damage, Reach. Better than the simple weapon spear. Longspear is totally kosher for the paly by default, the Greatspear takes training; not sure it's worth it for +1 more in proficiency, but there ya go.
How long is a longspear or greatspear? I see them mentioned in the Player's Handbook, but no descriptions.
Holy ****! None of the weapons are described in the PHB! How did I miss this?
Anyway, since they have the reach property (meaning your melee attacks reach 2 squares away instead of 1) they'd have to both be longer than 5 feet, probably closer to 6-8. Also, the Greatspear is in the Adventurer's Vault, not the PHB, and it does have a description, but does not mention length other than to say it "resembles a longspear, but it's broad head and strong haft allow it to strike with increased force"; funny enough, this is not more damage, but more accuracy. 
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 5:28PM
#197
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Holy ****! None of the weapons are described in the PHB! How did I miss this?
There are pictures of most of the weapons. I generally know how long a bow is, for example, and a long sword, so the relative sizes give me a clue as to how large they are. The two spears mentioned are not pictured, so I have no reference point.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 5:30PM
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Also, try the Longspear or Greatspear, Adrian. +2 or +3 prof, 1d10 damage, Reach. Better than the simple weapon spear. Longspear is totally kosher for the paly by default, the Greatspear takes training; not sure it's worth it for +1 more in proficiency, but there ya go.
How long is a longspear or greatspear? I see them mentioned in the Player's Handbook, but no descriptions.
Holy ****! None of the weapons are described in the PHB! How did I miss this?
Anyway, since they have the reach property (meaning your melee attacks reach 2 squares away instead of 1) they'd have to both be longer than 5 feet, probably closer to 6-8. Also, the Greatspear is in the Adventurer's Vault, not the PHB, and it does have a description, but does not mention length other than to say it "resembles a longspear, but it's broad head and strong haft allow it to strike with increased force"; funny enough, this is not more damage, but more accuracy.
Oddly enough, the Longspear weighs 9 lbs while the greatspear 8 lbs, while Pikes which also are spear weapons with reach weigh 6 lbs.
*shrug*
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 7:38PM
#199
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I think I seen a Warlord Paladin hybrid using a Greatspear that was very effective. It may have just been poaching the Knightly armor but for a Cha heavy Warlord build that hybriding is a pretty natural one in both function and flavor. There is a new Lance weapon I believe too. (theres another form of spear)
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2 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2011 - 7:40PM
#200
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Kev:
Your "High Int / Low Str" Fighter from the previous edition would be better realized as a Warlord in 4E. It sounds like you played the character as if he were a 4E Warlord. Now there are mechanics that fit your vision. Bravo! 
No because all of a sudden he would have a bunch of powers that I don't want. All he had before was a simple attack with his longsword and that's all he needed. It just wouldn't be the same character. He would be effective in combat and wouldn't have a reason to avoid it or even prepare for it. What I mean is that the INT part of that character was role played not 'Power' played. I had to force myself to realy think through the situations the DM put us in. I couldn't just charge into to a group of Zhentilar warriors and expect to win. In those games I played being effective in combat was far less important that what you did outside of combat.
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