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Charm of Misplaced Wrath has the following hit and effect lines:


Hit: You slide the target up to 3 squares. The target is then dazed until the end of your next turn.

Effect: The target makes a basic attack against a creature of your choice as a free action. The basic attack gains a +2 power bonus to the damage roll.

My question is can I have the effect, the attack, happen before the move, or does it have to happen after the move?  I was trying it out, and found myself often wanting to have a melee creature whack one of it's allies, and then fling them to the edge of the field (bonuses to forced movement), and leave them there daze, effectively screwing their next turn.

Is this a legal use of this power, or must the attack happen after the slide?

Oct 14, 2011 -- 7:12AM, Razorstorm wrote:

Is this a legal use of this power, or must the attack happen after the slide?

The Hit line comes first, so it resolves first.  For what you want to happen, it would have to have the Effect line above the Hit line.

But!  You can *kind of* get what you want, by sliding the enemy off to the edge oft he battlefield, leaving it Dazed, and then having it hit itself.  It's extremely rare for a creature to have a MBA that it can't target itself with, so just use that.

Apr 20, 2012 -- 12:34PM, Dasach_Tra wrote:

Hate to re-open an old thread, but I have a question.

If the free 'MBA/RBA' has extra effects like Push 2 or knock prone, does that get applied, or does the creature choose not to use them (as they are usually voluntary choices).

Does the charm effect make use of it and would the wizard have a choice to push 2 or knock prone?

Forced movement is always optional, so the creature could choose not to move itself ... however, it's impossible to meet the requirements of pushing (since you can't move away from yourself), so it's only really an issue for sliding.

As far as other status effects, it depends on if the power says 'may knock the target prone' or simply 'knocks the target prone'.  In the former case, there is a choice, so he can opt not to; in the latter (and more common) case, he cannot because it is not optional.  Note that this applies to all powers; unless there's a 'may' or 'can' clause, the effects it induces are not optional.

Apr 20, 2012 -- 2:14PM, Dasach_Tra wrote:

It doesn't have the word 'may'.

It is a Hill Giant Rockthrower. Power reads as follows : "and the rock thrower pushes the target 2 squares or knocks it prone".

I would think that the rockthrower has the choice to push or knock prone. If pushing, doesn't it have the choise to push 0, 1 or 2?

He can choose whether to push himself, or knock himself prone.

However, he cannot legally push himself, as each square of a push must move the target further away from the push-er.  This is physically impossible when you are both the push-er and push-ee; you can't ever move away from yourself, obviously.  Therefore, if he chooses the push option, nothing will happen regarding his position.

Apr 20, 2012 -- 2:38PM, Dasach_Tra wrote:

The wizard had the rockthrower attack another hill giant, hoping to knock it prone, as just he witnessed a prior throw knock their paladin prone.

What the wizard (& player) didn't know, is the rockthrower has the option to push 2 or knock prone.

So, when he hits his ally, he can choose push 2 or knock prone. If choosing to push, if I'm read up on 4e rules, he can elect to push 0, 1 or 2...right?

Ah, thought he had told the Giant to hit himself.  I misunderstood, my bad.

The Giant is the one using the power, so he still gets to control the effects of it, to the extent he is allowed.  This means he can:
Push 0 OR
Push 1 OR
Push 2 OR
Knock Prone