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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 6:53AM #21
LordOfWeasels
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Oct 17, 2011 -- 6:46AM, Pentagram wrote:

Oct 17, 2011 -- 5:38AM, LordOfWeasels wrote:

Oct 17, 2011 -- 1:53AM, Pentagram wrote:

Also, you could of course make an actual attack against whatever target you want to miss...and intentionally roll low on you die.




As long as you're going to cheat, why not just change the die to a "1" and claim that's what you rolled?




I don't think concentrating really, really hard on rolling a "1", while actually not fudging the roll, counts as cheating...




True!  But  "intentionally roll low" implies that you're affecting the result of the die to make it non-random.

As long as you're only concentrating and praying or doing something else that doesn't matter to the real world, sure, but I wouldn't normally call that "intentionally rolling low"

Confused about Stealth?  Think "invisibility" means "take the mini off the board to make people guess?"  You need to check out The Rules Of Hidden Club.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 7:02AM #22
mellored
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Note that it's possible to "mostly" miss.  By say... attacking with an unproficent weapon (effective -2/3), non-magical (effective -0/6), running (-5), using power attack (-2), and not putting any stat's into the attack stat (effective -5/9).

But a natrual 20 will still hit (though not crit).
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 7:09AM #23
Mand12
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I actually did, once, not get a crit on a nat 20.  I was playing a L1 wild sorcerer at the time, with a whopping 8 str, and attacked my cleric while blinded and immobilized out of LoE of any bad guys in the hopes of rolling odd to get a saving throw to remove the blindness and immobilize.  Total bonus of -6 for a result of 14 turned out to be a miss result, though automatic hit due to the nat 20.  I rolled d4-1 damage with a result of 1.  I wasn't designed around missing, I was just designed around doing other things than attacking in melee.

The sad part is I didn't even get the saving throw since I rolled even...
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 7:15AM #24
mellored
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Oct 17, 2011 -- 7:09AM, Mand12 wrote:

I actually did, once, not get a crit on a nat 20.  I was playing a L1 wild sorcerer at the time, with a whopping 8 str, and attacked my cleric while blinded in the hopes of rolling odd to get a saving throw to remove the blindness.  Total bonus of -6 for a result of 14 turned out to be a miss result, though automatic hit due to the nat 20.  I rolled d4-1 damage with a result of 1.  I wasn't designed around missing, I was just designed around doing other things than attacking in melee.

The sad part is I didn't even get the saving throw since I rolled even...


I've played 2 build revolving around missing.  (Band of Fellows and a stealth build).  It's kinda funny...

You: "nat 20"
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 8:59AM #25
Rian_king
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Oct 9, 2011 -- 12:06PM, mellored wrote:

You cannot intentionally miss.

You can however take penalties, such as running (though this kills your stealth check).  You'll still always hit on a 20 though.

Edit: I've got a mini-guide on missing.  Added Rogueish killer to it. 





I believe that is only for hitting in CC. 

If for some reason the DC is set really high and your roll a 20 you can still fail

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 9:06AM #26
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Indeed - skills do not have auto-successes or auto-fails.  You can automatically make skill checks if your modifiers are sufficient that you hit the DC on a 1 (and are not subject to situational penalties) and you can autofail skill checks even if you roll a 20 if the DC is high enough/you take enough situational penalties.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 8:40AM #27
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In my view, an intentional miss is not an attack. The alleged target of the intentional miss would not qualify as a "target" for a "Miss" or "Effect" line in the power.

I might possibly allow intentional misses to give a bonus on an Intimidate or Bluff check. However it might also cause a penalty on a Diplomacy check, would of course blow any chance at a subsequent surprise round, and might be interpreted by the NPCs as initiating combat.

Intentional failure on a skill check shouldn't even count as an attempt.
 
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