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2 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2011 - 3:38PM
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How exacty can I be wrong on an opinion based comment? I played both of those games and I thought they were crap. Short and kind of boring compared with the original RPG.
People are wrong about matters of opinion all the time. There are people who think that Nickleback is comprised of talented musicians making noteworthily high quality music, for instance.
Also, when a nerd in a forum says "This game is crap.", he or she is rarely viewing his or her statement as one of opinion, rather than fact.
THe Knight of The Old Republic games are very, very different from the Dark Forces games. That does not make either a bad game.
The Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance games were fun action/adventure RPGs. The fact that they are set in the same work, under the same general umbrella as the PC BG games means absolutely nothing.
An opinion is what you believe to be true. It holds no attribute of right or wrong. An opinion can only be wrong if you lie about you true feelings on the subject. In this case, I don't think I have reason to lie about my feelings on this game. As far as me stating my opinion as fact, well that's an assumption by you. A wrong assumption I might add.
It's a perfectly safe assumption, actually. Trends, context and other social factors determine what conclusions are reasonable concerning the intent of a comment. In this case, those things lead to the conclusion that you were attempting to speak with some sort of authority or definitive knowledge.
There are people who think that Mozart sucks. They have that opinion. That opinion is wrong. If your opinion flies in the face of overwhelming data pointing toward the opposite conclusion, your conclusion can safely be dismissed. Since ALL truth is relative (unproven) outside of mathmatics, correct and incorrect are, by definition, not absolutes. The closest thing that exists to an absolute value of correctness is a determination of how safely a statement can be dismissed/ignored.
When you say that an award winning, very popular, very well reviewed/received set of games is crap, you are contradicting strong enough data indicative of the opposite that your assertion can be ignored in pretty much complete safety.
Therefor, it is appropriate to say that you are wrong.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2011 - 1:17AM
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How exacty can I be wrong on an opinion based comment? I played both of those games and I thought they were crap. Short and kind of boring compared with the original RPG.
People are wrong about matters of opinion all the time. There are people who think that Nickleback is comprised of talented musicians making noteworthily high quality music, for instance.
Also, when a nerd in a forum says "This game is crap.", he or she is rarely viewing his or her statement as one of opinion, rather than fact.
THe Knight of The Old Republic games are very, very different from the Dark Forces games. That does not make either a bad game.
The Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance games were fun action/adventure RPGs. The fact that they are set in the same work, under the same general umbrella as the PC BG games means absolutely nothing.
An opinion is what you believe to be true. It holds no attribute of right or wrong. An opinion can only be wrong if you lie about you true feelings on the subject. In this case, I don't think I have reason to lie about my feelings on this game. As far as me stating my opinion as fact, well that's an assumption by you. A wrong assumption I might add.
It's a perfectly safe assumption, actually. Trends, context and other social factors determine what conclusions are reasonable concerning the intent of a comment. In this case, those things lead to the conclusion that you were attempting to speak with some sort of authority or definitive knowledge.
There are people who think that Mozart sucks. They have that opinion. That opinion is wrong. If your opinion flies in the face of overwhelming data pointing toward the opposite conclusion, your conclusion can safely be dismissed. Since ALL truth is relative (unproven) outside of mathmatics, correct and incorrect are, by definition, not absolutes. The closest thing that exists to an absolute value of correctness is a determination of how safely a statement can be dismissed/ignored.
When you say that an award winning, very popular, very well reviewed/received set of games is crap, you are contradicting strong enough data indicative of the opposite that your assertion can be ignored in pretty much complete safety.
Therefor, it is appropriate to say that you are wrong.
Still an assumption and still a wrong assumption. Regardless of how "well informed" you think you maybe. But what does it matter? I didn't like the game, nothing you say will ever convince me differently. "Your might makes right" arguement has no sway on me and I can easily ignore whatever opinions you or 1 million people might have about the game. So I don't understand why you can't accept that this can't be framed as a right or wrong issue. Just accept that someone in this world dissagrees with you and move on.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2011 - 9:34AM
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Personally, I see it as a completely subjective topic. As Caolin said, its not a right or wrong issue, its a matter of personal taste and opinion. That a million people disagree is irrelevant, as its a matter of his taste and no one elses. I don't like MMOs any longer. Certainly I played AO for years, but in the end, I came to the conclusion that its a huge waste of time and not something that was all that appealing to me. Certainly Everquest and WoW have a large fanbase, but that doesn't really affect me. They obviously love MMO's, but that doesn't mean I have to. Same thing in Caolin's case... This shouldn't be a difficult thing to see. Opinions can be uninformed or informed, but not really wrong or right, its too subjective a thing for that.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2011 - 3:08PM
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Still an assumption and still a wrong assumption. Regardless of how "well informed" you think you maybe. But what does it matter? I didn't like the game, nothing you say will ever convince me differently. "Your might makes right" arguement has no sway on me and I can easily ignore whatever opinions you or 1 million people might have about the game. So I don't understand why you can't accept that this can't be framed as a right or wrong issue. Just accept that someone in this world dissagrees with you and move on.
Lol. I can easily accept that someone disagrees with me. Any person who declines to make a habit of holding their tongue will find disagreement quite common.
And yes, you can ignore whatever you want. You can ignore The Big Bang Theory, the Theory of Evolution, and anything else someone else can think of. Your insistance on ignoring those things is, however, completely irrelevant as to whether or not they are correct, and if you speak in contradiction to them, anyone who hears you can dismiss you out of hand without any fear of being wrong in so doing.
A final point, if I may. There is an important difference between disliking something and declaring that it is "crap", or any synonym thereof. Stating a dislike for something ("I was completely unimpressed by it", "I couldn't even get through it" "gods I hated those games") is not the same as making a declaritive statement as to the value of something ("it is not good" "what a crap product" "ugh. that thing was terrible!")
Precise language is important.
I can definitively say, for instance that I enjoy Linkin Park's first album. If I, on the other hand, claim that it is a good album, I need to back that claim up. In this particular case, I won't bother, because I recognize that it is the enjoyable fluff novel of the music world. It's not actually that great, in terms of an exposition of technical skill or musical quality, but I enjoy it, because I'm able to set aside any need to analyze it's musical qualities while listening to it. Therefor, I don't say that their first album is good. Instead I say, I like their first album.
Again, precise language. If I said that it was a good album, there are measures and methodologies by which the album may be judged in terms of musical quality, and I can be shown to be incorrect in my assertion. I cannot, however, be incorrect in my statement of preference.
Had you made a statement of preference, this would be an entirely different discussion. Instead, you made a declaritive statement as to something's value and/or quality.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2011 - 7:32PM
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scientific fact: tell someone who is already balegerant cant spell it) and it will piss them off....
I've been in a somewhat decent mood and it annoyed me when someone told me to calm down.
possible fighting words: telll someone they are wrong.
what was meant to have been said was that they were mistaken.
MMOs suck to me as a waste of money and a waste of time. that is however not to say that I think the WOW engine and its graphics are a work of art.
do I think taht NW will sell.
well yes as a short run cash cow trying to cash in on the NWN brand. it will sell and will be played and it will come crashing down when and only when its players see it for what it may be and that is a piece of crap. if and when that will happen I can not say.
a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
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2 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2011 - 9:50PM
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Your wrong!! 
HAND OF KARSUS!  
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2 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2011 - 10:03PM
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you sire did that on that on
a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
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2 years ago ::
Oct 30, 2011 - 5:41PM
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scientific fact: tell someone who is already balegerant cant spell it) and it will piss them off....
I've been in a somewhat decent mood and it annoyed me when someone told me to calm down.
possible fighting words: telll someone they are wrong.
what was meant to have been said was that they were mistaken.
MMOs suck to me as a waste of money and a waste of time. that is however not to say that I think the WOW engine and its graphics are a work of art.
do I think taht NW will sell.
well yes as a short run cash cow trying to cash in on the NWN brand. it will sell and will be played and it will come crashing down when and only when its players see it for what it may be and that is a piece of crap. if and when that will happen I can not say.
I doubt it. While I'm not as impressed by Cryptic's abillities in game design as I am by Turbine's (makers of DDO and LOTRO) I also wouldn't expect to see the Foundry go away, since it's also part of one of their existing MMOs (Star Trek), and that is one helluva well liked system. The Foundry, not Star Trek. I haven't heard much good about the rest of the game. :P
Anyway, between the Foundry, a F2P model that makes all game content part of the free package, while offering vanity and convenience items (and probably account upgrades like extra bank/character slots and the like) in the store, and a DnD 4d based system (I would never want a direct translation in a video game. It would probably be a bad game. A video game appropriate system that is based strongly and closely on 4e, however, is something I look forward to seeing.) and you've got something that should do fine. It may not be in the same teir as WoW and (we're all assuming) SW:TOR, but if it does as well as DDO and LOTRO are doing, it will be a profitable venture with a healthy and dedicated fanbase.
(also, note that you said that they suck to you, which inherently means that you are actively accepting as a possibility the concept that you may be mistaken. I like it. )
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 25, 2011 - 2:26PM
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I enjoyed the Baldur's Gate DA games and looking forward to Neverwinter. I would love for Capcom to put out some D&D beat em ups like the arcade games Tower of Doom and Shadow over Mysteria on xbox live and psn.
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