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2 years ago ::
Oct 21, 2011 - 10:40AM
#131
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RC page 314 "If the creature is climbing or flying when it is knocked prone, it falls instead."
This line is ambigous to me and can be read in two ways IMO:
1. "the creature falls instead of climbing or flying"
2. "the creature falls instead of being knocked prone"
So it is knocked Prone instead of what ?
It falls instead of being knocked prone
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2 years ago ::
Oct 21, 2011 - 6:50PM
#132
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Date Joined:
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RC page 314 "If the creature is climbing or flying when it is knocked prone, it falls instead."
This line is ambigous to me and can be read in two ways IMO:
1. "the creature falls instead of climbing or flying"
2. "the creature falls instead of being knocked prone"
So it is knocked Prone instead of what ?
It falls instead of being knocked prone
I don't think he was being serious, I think he was being ironic.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 5:41AM
#133
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Damon i am serious. I am not english native, and the sentence doesn't say instead of what it is Falling.
So, why it is Instead of Prone rather than instead of Flying or Climbing ?
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 6:43AM
#134
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Damon i am serious. I am not english native, and the sentence doesn't say instead of what it is Falling.
So, why it is Instead of Prone rather than instead of Flying or Climbing ?
The "instead" ties to the "when", so you'd have to construct the sentence with those two clauses reversed if you wanted the "it falls instead" to be about "climbing or flying". (I'm sure there's a proper grammar term for that, but I can't put my finger on it.)
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 6:53AM
#135
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Got it. Thanks Tichrimo for explaining.
So it appears that Proning a creature takes it to the ground if it wasn't already grounded, by causing it to Fall, and if it takes damage when landing, then it is Prone. Otherwise, its not.
What confused me i think is this sentence, but after reading it again with this in mind it look like ''however'' illustrate that the creature either goes Prone or is grounded.
RC 232 Prone: The creature is lying down. However, if the creature is flying or climbing, it falls.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 9:46AM
#136
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Got it. Thanks Tichrimo for explaining.
So it appears that Proning a creature takes it to the ground if it wasn't already grounded, by causing it to Fall, and if it takes damage when landing, then it is Prone. Otherwise, its not.
What confused me i think is this sentence, but after reading it again with this in mind it look like ''however'' illustrate that the creature either goes Prone or is grounded.
RC 232 Prone: The creature is lying down. However, if the creature is flying or climbing, it falls.
English lesson (this one is pet peeve of mine).
"Prone" is not a verb. One cannot be "proned." One may be made to be prone, or may be knocked prone, but "proning "is not possible.
This is not a critisicm on your abilities with English; many native speakers use the word "prone" as a verb. Drives me crazy!!
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 9:57AM
#137
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Date Joined:
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How many speakers using something "incorrectly" that is clearer and more concise than the existing method does it take before the usage becomes correct?
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 11:19AM
#138
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Date Joined:
Apr 16, 2009
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English lesson (this one is pet peeve of mine).
"Prone" is not a verb. One cannot be "proned." One may be made to be prone, or may be knocked prone, but "proning "is not possible.
Sorry, this is English. Very few words are just one part of speech. In particular, nouns and verbs interchange quite freely, and adjectives often join the dance. "Prone" in particular is a verb, an adjective, and an adverb. Both verbs and adjectives often double as nouns, and adverbs do so occasionally.
(About the only words that are almost never used as more than one part of speech are the prepositions.)
The real issue is that most of our mechanisms for describing and discussing grammar were developed for Latin. French is descended from Latin. English is a third cousin twice removed.
"The world does not work the way you have been taught it does. We are not real as such; we exist within The Story. Unfortunately for you, you have inherited a condition from your mother known as Primary Protagonist Syndrome, which means The Story is interested in you. It will find you, and if you are not ready for the narrative strands it will throw at you..." - from Footloose
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 11:23AM
#139
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I like that english nouns can be verbified :-)
Really the only good part of it really. Pretty crappy otherwise.
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Thought Switch Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1. If your allies play along, it's broken.
Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation. 5 of these will end anything. Broken.
King Fisher Does an excellent job at keeping an enemy disabled in a few ways. Strong.
Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.
Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit. Overpowered.
Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.
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Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.
Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.
Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.
Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.
Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.
Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.
Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.
Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.
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Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power
Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken
Unnamed Avenger|Runepriest/Hammer of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.
Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.
Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.
Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight, only far more broken.
Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2011 - 11:51AM
#140
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Date Joined:
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We are clubing every saturday ...Thought ''clubing'' is not a verb, i know its used in speech language.  Can be said of someone going to a club, or getting hit by an Ogre's weapon XD Googling is one often seen o the net too I though Proning fitted just fine, at least to express my point. :P
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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