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Oct 7, 2011 -- 10:03AM, Jorunhast wrote:

Oct 7, 2011 -- 9:56AM, zenwar wrote:

As some one who has recently come back to these forums (and is already thinking about walking away), I feel that this forum environment is VERY critical to anyone who is not a hardcore fan of 4e.

Yep.

I disagree, it's not that unfriendly - take a look at the thread about the person asking if they should stick with 3.5 or go to 4e, it's a very civil thread. The difference between that thread and some of the other ones is that the OP isn't making accusations about 4e that are not true.  

On the other hand, when people make threads basically saying that 4e doesn't offer anything in the way of roleplaying, which is just a bold face lie, people are going to correct it because the person is flat out wrong. 

Also, people tend to get better reception on these boards when they don't point fingers at people and insult them when that person provides some constructive critisim in a very polite manner.

Oct 7, 2011 -- 10:15AM, Gunthar wrote:

Translated OP: Dear Designers and Marketers: Your game sucks because I like an old one better. You're utter failures unless you make a new edition that caters to me rather than those who like your game.

Same crap, different thread with petty, whiny 3tards spewing their crap rather than just playing the game they do like because everything should cater to them.

This is a perfect example of the hostility I mentioned earlier. I know the media of boards fosters this for various reason, but seriously, this is just bizarre to me. 4e is a game system. It's not your child. I got back on the forums to be part of a community and instead people are either really condescending or just out-right hostile. 

Oct 7, 2011 -- 11:10AM, Seeker95 wrote:

Oct 7, 2011 -- 9:56AM, zenwar wrote:

I feel that this forum environment is VERY critical to anyone who is not a hardcore fan of 4e.

I believe your opening return post and that of the OP belie this claim.

These forums are very critical of anyone who wants to walk in from the cold, drop a load of craptalk on 4e, and then call it constructive. Your post managed to mix quite a bit of the good in with the bad, making it seem like it was not a craptalk, but it was a generally unwise approach to your first comments out of the gate.

This community is quite capable of engaging in constructive criticism. But nobody with criticism, constructive or destructive, is going to receive a glowing fullagreement response because regardless of what you are criticizing (constructively or not), a sizable and active portion of the Forum-using player base likes it.

• Some are blind sycophants of all things WotC has made and will make.
• Some are enthusiastic fanboys that like the current version of D&D more than anything.
• But most are content 4e players who have only a few aspects of the game they could without and choose to spend their time focusing on the majority of the game that they like.

I kind of got into the forums because it seems that 5th edition is coming down the line and I was worried that all the GOOD stuff in 4th was going to get ejected by a design team that wanted to capture the pathfinder market share. So I find the hostility especially ironic. I have no emotional attachment to any game system (beyond some occasional nostalgic fondness). This seems like the kind of fan-boy psychology that I associate with sports teams. 

Oct 7, 2011 -- 12:11PM, zenwar wrote:

And I DID mention that I was guilty myself. HOWEVER here is a BIG difference between calling someone an apologist (which is no deadly insult by any stretch of the imagination) and calling them a “3tard.” I can call someone an apologist in a civil debate because it is not what I would consider a personal insult. I am not disparaging their character or personality or lineage. 

So, because YOU don't consider it an insult, that makes it not so? How about the rest of your response to me that basically implies that I am inexperienced (because you have 40 years of knowledge) and that you must have better data than I that proves my disagreement void?

You sound like a complete WOTC apologist. I have been roleplaying for 40 years. I play in two 4th edition campaigns. I know a ton of gamers. The consensus of nearly all the people I talk to is that D&D 4th edition is the least roleplaying-friendly system around.

Nevermind that after people disagreed with you, you basically told everyone what they were posting was wrong and that you wanted to have a discussion on the strenghts and weakness of the system withought anyone being alowed to contradict you on why what you put in as a weakness isn't actually a weakness

Wow. I want a discussion, but about the topic. Not how to roleplay better or DM better. I want a discussion about the stengths and weakness of the system. Another post had a very different list than mine. I thought that was great.